If you (still) feel the need to discuss Moldies, please do it here so folks can hide this if they want to.

[LittleDonkeyCarrieMaryMumsnet]

Well hopefully the title says it all. There's been a suggestion, and we agree, that as we did with Baby P and the Mc Canns we just have one thread where anyone who feels they still have anything to add on this subject can post and those who'd rather move on can hide it away.

It feels strange to put this thread in site stuff as we are definitely not wanting to encourage further discussion of Moldies (we have presents to wrap too you know ) but we weren't sure where else to put it.

We will delete any new Moldies threads that are started, so please feel free to report them in case we miss any (what with wrapping the presents and all...)

And if you do want to carry on the discussion please remember that Mumsnet's here to make everyone's lives easier and not the reverse, and that Christmas is a time of goodwill to all mumsnetters past, present and future

Thanks,
MNHQ

Person 1:
Person 2: Fucking Hell! You just behaved really badly!
Person 1: stop shouting at me! You're making me really upset!

lolol

that sounds like my whole marriage TBH

We got distracted by some lovemaking

GUFFAW

I'm going to make a serious comment now.

The bit I don't understand is why people don't get others' anger (ie the need to go on the attack). And on both 'sides' (though I hate that phrase)

People who feel betrayed (and they do, whether individuals understand that or not) need to be allowed to kick off and vent and be rude for a bit. Once they have done this, they will calm down. But they need their anger acknowledging otherwise they will just continue to feel belittled.

This is the only way reconciliation will happen.

And over in the Moldies, they too need to be allowed their feelings, even if they do seem to some people to be 'at fault'. Many if not most made a natural, and rational decision to join a group that made sense to them. It was misguided from the perspective of 'over here'. Perhaps. But not to them. Doesn't make it right or good. But it is probably what happened: sins of omission rather than comission.

So to Moldies, to come back here and be utterly personally rejected or criticised, what else is there for them to do but be either thoughtful and conciliatory (as Aitch, onebat, swedes and others who have been and returned etc have been) or be defensive.

Point is some moldies are on the offensive because there is no face-saving alternative while people are so angry. It is basic human interaction rules to minimize shame by making out you made a sane decision; you wouldn't naturally or automatically say, yes I was wrong without a fight.

I think Survivors has made me hysterical

person 3 wallows and gloats in it

Oh no onebat - how? why? how did you get in?

Bloddy hell onebat is all your food OK? Forget the kids do you have christmas dinner?

My children keep WAKING UP

I think they've been on some sort of bloody Santa Night-Watch duty for the last week

argh

rev - I agree entirely. The secondary school I was in before the prison was definitely much much worse. Which is why I left to go to the prison! To be fair though, the first school I worked at was lovely.

That wasn't directed at you obv Onebat (cross-posts) but see we have different views.

I don't think, FWIW, fault finding is going to help at this point in time. I think the Moldies need to come back and they won't if we continually point out their moral weaknesses. Because most of the good guys made no 'choice' as such. Most just didn't think enough (surely?)

rev - who are you? I like your posting style but done't recognise your name Don't say if you don't want to.

lol why does no one recognise the rev? she's been around for yonks and everyone keeps saying WHO ARE YOU?

'sfunny

ooh, ooh, i mentioned you justa did you see my post? [crawl]

Onebat. 9 Hours? with shopping? How? This is all making me feel much better about my messy house and uncontrollable children so tell me more please.

God I sound so pathetically middle class.

Lo everyone. I've had a blissfully mould-free day. Good to see you Expat.

yes but at least your children are not locked in the garden

Damn, twinset, don't do that anymore with real tealights!

I used to know a gal called Chantal Maudit. She was fun and like another person I knew, Monica, she was so inspiring to climb with.

But Chantal she died from carbon monoxide poising from unattended fire.

It's horrible.

However naff people say 'safe' tealights are they can go fuck themselves because unless you are going to guaranteed be in the same room they are the best!

And now you can even get short and tall pillar candles taht are battery-operated, the tall ones will run off rechargeable AA batteries for the environmentally-friendly, and even tapers that are safe.

Go there!

So worth it.

Nothing like a bath surrounded by safe 'candles', IMO.

Fire department came by one time when we were in our last flat and were most impressed .

MP did you notice i was thinking about you ice skating yesterday and in my head you were Doris Day with a furry muff? I have been following you around all day trying to tell you.

lol but what happens if there's a giant EARTHQUAKE and all your battery operated candles fall in the bath and ELECTROCUTE YOU?

Quatto, it is equally good to 'see' you, too.

I hope you have delegated your Christmas cooking tasks, in the most polite manner, of course, and are looking forward to a good holiday.

'Oh, that Jim Williams just shot somebody. Canape?' - Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil

Then I will die far better than I expected, MP, laughing my ass off.

Then I will die far better than I expected, MP, laughing my ass off.

Hula how did you get a teaching job in a prison? Where do they advertise? (nosy)