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Is it not time now for Mumsnet to leave X/Twitter?

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BIWI · 23/03/2025 16:44

… given everything that’s going on in the USA with Elon Musk?

Doesn’t feel like his/their values align with any of ours right now!

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BibiLynn · 24/03/2025 10:43

BIWI · 24/03/2025 08:27

Hmm. See my thread has brought out all the Trump/Musk fans Hmm

For the record, nobody is telling me who to hate @BibiLynn. I’m quite capable of working out hateful behaviour myself. And how anyone can support Musk is beyond me.

I’ve been on Twitter pretty much since it started (Tweetdeck, anyone?) but in recent years have used it less and less. Didn’t like the way it had changed generally. But when Musk bought it, decided it really wasn’t a place for me, given his willingness to give a platform to the likes of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. Free speech is one thing, but hate speech should never be allowed. And indeed, it’s not allowed on Mumsnet. (See Talk Guidelines). Hence querying whether or not it’s actually a place for Mumsnet to be.

No-one is stopping any of you spouting your stuff there if you want to. But there are plenty of places where Mumsnet could be sharing our posts.

(Oh, and for the record @INeedAnotherName yes, I think Facebook/Meta/Zuckerberg is just as bad - just eating the elephant one bite at a time)

so because you’re being questioned about your ask that Mumsnet leaves the X platform, you call anyone who queries this a Trump or Musk fan?

You say you’re capable of working out who to hate all by yourself then make a huge assumption and generalisation about posters who do not share your views. Are people not allowed to think for themselves and have a different viewpoint anymore.

I can’t stand Bluesky which is (atm) an overly positive echo chamber full of earnest exiles who truly can’t handle any dissenting voices. It’s also a huge mess of feeds and seems to be the place for those disgusting MAP accounts to go and not get any pushback. Would I start a thread asking mumsnet to either leave the platform or not join it? Nope!

AnSolas · 24/03/2025 10:56

TheGrimSmile · 24/03/2025 09:24

But that is exactly what Musk does. He blocks anyone who disagrees with anything he says or does.

You can thank the prior management for that.
They had whole project teams working out framework and embedding code on how to minipulate the users feed and how to supress ideas or block users they did not agree with.

AnSolas · 24/03/2025 10:58

@RedToothBrush 👏👏👏

Lilifer · 24/03/2025 12:54

@RedToothBrush hear hear! Well said 🙌🏻

Buffypaws · 25/03/2025 12:51

Yes well done @RedToothBrush

Swirlythingy2025 · 25/03/2025 14:47

the perils of aligning one's values with a platform rather than the other way around. The truth is, the platform any platform is merely a tool, a stage upon which society plays out its dramas. But it's the people / individuals, the decisions they make, that truly matter, not who owns it.

ByTicklishLimeBalonz · 28/03/2025 22:06

Basically no due to needing the audience

Bosky · 30/03/2025 04:30

BIWI Just laughing because I wondered what else you had posted about and Mumsnet Advanced Search (not 100% reliable, I know) tells me that your very first post on Mumsnet on 11/09/2007 starts, "As a Guardian reader" 😂- on a thread titled "Why is the Daily Mail so hated on here?"

You go on to say,

"I hate the DM with a passion - and I do 'read' it fairly frequently as my business partner gets it. (Why I have no idea). Every time I read it I am still shocked by what purports to be 'reasonable' editorial views about women, single parents (usually mothers), immigrants (usually branded asylum seekers), those not blessed with employment, etc etc

But their financial and health pages are good - just a shame about the rest of it."

So I am going to ask you to consider exploring resources on X that you might have overlooked in your narrow focus on who owns the platform, hindered by your echo-chamber assumptions and "guilt by association" perspective on the political leanings of users.

Twitter and now X provides a platform that is invaluable for professional development and scientific collaboration across all subjects.

For example, is there anything like the Symplur Healthcare Hashtag Project on your preferred alternative platform?

Healthcare Hashtag Project
Healthcare Hashtag Project, a free open platform for patient advocates, caregivers, doctors and other providers that connects them to relevant conversations and communities.

https://www.symplur.com/healthcare-hashtags/

I also wonder, would you suggest to libraries, bookshops, schools, universities and colleges that they should stop stocking books from a particular publishing house because you disapprove of the politics of the owner?

Perhaps you would because that is close to the political pressure successfully exerted by activists on publishers, libraries, bookshops, schools, universities and colleges to cancel authors who dissent from their pet theories and positions.

Assuming that you are still a Guardian reader, you will no doubt be aware that intolerant staff, mostly based in the USA, have petitioned the Guardian to ditch respected UK journalists or have bullied them out of the their jobs.

Can't think why but I am reminded of this:

"The feminist origins of ‘political correctness’: PC terms in JSTOR"

Abstract

When ‘political correctness’ became a public concern in the USA in the early 1990s, it was almost immediately suggested that the term had long been something of a self-ironic slur in left-wing circles. While a number of people testified to this, the evidence advanced was almost entirely anecdotal, and to date no systematic attempt to gauge the reliability of these testimonies has been made. The present article seeks to rectify this. On the basis of a statistical account of politically correct (PC) terms – ‘politically correct’, ‘politically incorrect’, ‘political correctness’, ‘political incorrectness’ – in the Stockholm University version of the JSTOR database up to 1990, it challenges the received view that the term originated as a left-wing in-group marker which was used self-ironically. The evidence suggests, on the contrary, that the modern understanding of political correctness as a form of censorship first emerged in debates internal to the North American women's liberation movement. The article tables all uses of PC terms in JSTOR up to 1990. Before 1980, PC terms are used very sparingly and practically always non-ironically, with the possible exception of the one area in which the term gains ground in the 1970s: feminism. In JSTOR, prior to 1990, PC terms appear most frequently in feminist activist journal Off Our Backs (OOB). Usage in OOB makes evident that the notion of political correctness in the feminist context at the time was tied to a theoretical discussion concerning female sexuality. Climaxing at an academic conference arranged at Barnard College in 1982, this debate was pivotal for establishing the ironic understanding of political correctness we live with today, including the modern understanding of the concept as a means for the ‘closing of debate’. In sum, evidence suggests that the received view of the origins of the term ‘political correctness’ must be reconsidered.

Full article (no paywall):
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/14647001241248752

The Healthcare Hashtag Project

https://www.symplur.com/healthcare-hashtags/

BIWI · 30/03/2025 11:23

Actually @Bosky my very first post on MN was back in 2006. And I’m Grin that you would reach back so far to quote me.

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EasternStandard · 30/03/2025 11:38

Is the aim from pp to be on BlueSky instead?

No thanks if so, it’s just another echo chamber

EastCoastDweller · 30/03/2025 11:58

What @RedToothBrush said. I like X. I think it is better in many ways since Musk bought it. He cleared out a lot of the porn, csa accounts and the mods who enabled them. He reinstated a lot of women and men who had been banned and gave free voice to gender critical views. There are a lot of people on X whose voices wouldn’t be heard otherwise. I hear that blue sky is owned and run by a lot of the old Twitter people and many things are banned/silenced just as they were on old Twitter. Choose your echo chamber as you will but don’t kid yourself you are on the side of the angels, or even on the right side of history.

I have found it very interesting to hear a lot of views I don’t necessarily agree with but have a much more useful understanding of why people hold them and don’t dismiss them with insults. Nelson Mandela said

‘If you want to make peace with your enemy, you have to work with your enemy. Then he becomes your partner’

Talkinpeace · 30/03/2025 12:05

I post on XTwitter and Bluesky

Bluesky is full of virtue signalling and has a wide streak of intolerance

MrMenno getting his account limited for being 'anti LGBTQIA+' was a prime example

On some things Bluesky is quicker and more accurate
but even Heather Cox Richardson has gone back to referencing from XTwitter most days

Sensible organisations are on most platforms

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