Why has the thread about the death of a yong transman been deleted?

[Taytoface]

Was reading a thread about the horrific death of a young transman following surgical complications. It is a hugely important story but has been removed. Can you explain why? If it is concerns about accuracy fair enough, but when young women die because they have been butchered attempting to create a body they may (or may not) be more comfortable with, this,we should be shouting about.

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Maybe because you wilfully misgendered him throughout?

If you want to respect the young man's memory, don't refer to him as a woman.

Hi there @Taytoface . Could you let us know where the thread was - and the thread title if you happen to remember it? There should have been a reason for deletion in the deletion message but if not, and we can track it down, we should be able to let you know.

Thank you for this. I was going to say it on the thread but knew I would be attacked

Wow @Taytoface . That was quite the reply that was just deleted.

It was in naughty corner feminism, not sure of the title, but something about death of a young transman following surgery.

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I hadn't commented on it yet but was going to. In my search history it's called 'transman dead at 24 from trans surgeries' Why can't it be discussed on the feminism board?

Do you mean used the persons correct sex? That's allowed on the feminism board isn't it? We don't have to lie and go along with lies.

The deleted thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5145478-5145478-transman-dead-at-24-from-trans-surgeries

People who have 'gender critical' beliefs often chooseto use sex based pronouns and correctly sex people, rather than using 'preferred pronouns/gender'. 'Gender critical' beliefs are protected under the Equality Act.

Mumsnet generally are perfectly capable of monitoring comments to ensure that freedom of expression of protected beliefs is balanced with polite and respectful comments.

'Misgendering' has been discussed before on here and as far as I'm aware the context and tone is what matters; we are able to sex people according to perception.

This is a tragic case, from what I've heard, and obviously needs to be discussed with sensitivity. That doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it at all.

And? That's your problem with the thread not the horrific and unnecessary pain, suffering and ultimate death of the victim being discussed?

Also, you might like to catch up - there is no law against misgendering and there won't be one, it is not a crime and speech cannot be compelled.

Perhaps when discussing a young person who has died, it is more important to be respectful to their memory and refer to them in the way they preferred than to make a point of principle.

I think if you are going to pretend to care about someone, then it would be a good start. Otherwise it may seem a little like you are using their death to promote your own agenda...

Hi @nauticant . Thanks for the link. We've had a look back and it seems the OP of that thread was a previously banned poster who'd been causing trouble all over the boards. We'll change the deletion message to reflect that but we won't be reinstating the thread.

However, we've no issue with this story itself being discussed so if anyone would like to start a new thread, that would be fine - as long as it remains within the usual guidelines, of course.

I think if you are going to pretend to care about someone, then it would be a good start. Otherwise it may seem a little like you are using their death to promote your own agenda...

The same could be said of those insisting on misgendering being the most heinous aspect of the discussion.

Please point to where someone has said that.

That's a horrible accusation to make. Gail's comment seemed pretty clear that she is angry about the suffering this person went through.

Otherwise it may seem a little like you are using their death to promote your own agenda...

It's got nothing to do with an "agenda". It's about sex, rather than their identity.

Perhaps when discussing a young person who has died, it is more important to be respectful to their memory and refer to them in the way they preferred than to make a point of principle.

Is that a way of saying #bekind? This young woman died because people went along with this, from the puberty blockers to the surgery which left her unable to urinate and having multiple infections/sepsis and a stroke.

It's time that people realise that being kind is treating people with gender identity issues and similar for the mental health issues they have, instead of going along with things that cause such harm, and in this case, this young woman's death.

It is possible to discuss the tragedy of the young man's death without disrespecting his wishes.

Second post @WickieRoy

Maybe because you wilfully misgendered him throughout?

Did you miss it?

No I saw it. And "Thanks"ed it.

Deleting a thread that's disrespectful about a dead person is a perfectly reasonable thing to do IMO (even if that wasn't the reason for deletion). It is possible to discuss his death without referring to him in a way that would have upset him had he read it.

The young woman died because of her desire to be seen as a man. It's sadly too late for her now but it's important to. talk about this using factually accurate information/biology in the hope that it can stop other young people going through what she did.

Remember that lots of youngsters getting caught up in gender ideology are vulnerable in some way, often ND and need facts in order to be protected.