"boomer" thread

[Maireas]

You've hidden this evening's offensive, ageist thread, stereotyping "boomers". Will this be deleted? Can we have a robust response to ageism on MN?

Yes, I know. It's shit. But the mods on duty are just applying the rules they've been given.

A proper response from MNHQ will need to come from higher up.

There's so much anger these days. The internet has created so much want. Boomers are immune to it but they want to be on love island, want to live like the Kardashians. They want holidays abroad, new cars, grey houses, and are angry that they can't have it.

I see friends offspring who moan about being continually broke, but have lovely husband's, children.

Well my friends and I were broke when they were small children, they just never noticed. Now we've paid off mortgages, saved wisely we're being berated for it.

My children aren't like that because we explained why they couldn't have things. Perhaps their parents didn't discuss money.

It's awful that house prices, rentals are so expensive but it's not our fault.

Rationing continued in Britain until 1952, post war, with many fathers either killed or broken men if they did return, boomers childhoods were no picnic. The impact of war went on for decades.... not sure how anyone can say "boomers" had it easy compared to today... society and buildings literally had to be rebuilt, there was no money really and for a woman to have a career she had to really put herself out on a limb... how was this easier?

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Born during or just after the war I would argue 1963 isn't just after the war, and yet still in the baby boomer generation.

"Baby boomers were born anywhere between 1946 and 1964 following the end of the Second World War. The generation is named after the birth rate spike that occurred after World War II ended."

This millennial had to look it up. Boomers (hate the word but using as shorthand) are aged 59-77. Quite a large age range.

@TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon and @Mrsjayy

Jeez, Boomer has been in use to describe post war babies for many many years. It was never a problem until recently. Offence can be found in most words now unfortunately. I certainly meant no offence.

I only commented based on the experiences of my parents (especially my mother). I truly sympathise and hate any sort of ageism.

Anyone calling someone Karen (unless that is their name) just show themselves up as being unoriginal, thick and offensive.

That's fine @bellamountain hate ageism I mean if you had said baby boomer then that takes the derogatory meaning out of it. But to use the word 3 times to emphasise is offensive.

Not quite. The non-prejudicial term Baby Boomer was in use for decades to describe a demographic group.

The current prejudiced and disparaging term Boomer, usually used in the dismissive ‘OK, Boomer’ trope, emerged recently, is applied by people to virtually anyone older than themselves, and is newly and highly offensive.

Boomer, Karen, snowflakes, geek , nerd, etc. they're all used to create offence

This with bells on.

@EbiRaisukaree Indeed, used just like "Karen". Lazy, offensive, no clear argument behind it and trotted out by people who can't think.

Yes, I know. It's shit. But the mods on duty are just applying the rules they've been given.

A proper response from MNHQ will need to come from higher up.

It does. Their hands must be tied.

The derailment that was allowed on that Karen thread was one example . I received a couple of responses to reports (2/3) to be fair, but the same individuals continued to be allowed to shut people down and they were spamming text and links throughout.

Well, racists won't change colour, mysogonists/mysandrists (sp?) won't change sex and homophobics won't change sexuality. But ageists? Karma's coming to get you..

Ageist and spiteful.

@PencilsInSpace I agree with you.

However, if the team that's on duty can't deal with threads, then they shouldn't be on duty. Leaving junior staff to deal with stuff over a bank holiday weekend (or after 11.00pm) is really poor service.

MNHQ has a huge wage bill. I wonder why they aren't paying the mod team sufficient such that they can deal with these issues?

So there is a limit to how often racism can be discussed? Riiiight. You are MN predictable.

I don't know what you are meaning? I don't want to subscribe to a newspaper to read one article that's madness.

All of the data in the article is publicly available if people who prefer to go and research the topic themselves instead, rather than posting uninformed views that do not match reality.

People are not being ageist. They are objecting to the greediest generation ever that pulled the bridge up behind them.

On average a boomer will receive £400k more from the state than they paid in.

Millenials will pay in £300k more than they receive back.

The social contract has been broken, and entitled older people seem to think it is their right to impoverish the younger generation like this because "I paid some tax". Even if it was nowhere near enough tax to cover your own costs. And then accuse the people funding their largesse of being entitled. That is why there is anger.

The demographic problem was long foreseen. Did this cohort do anything to pressure the Government to implement policies to mitigate the demographic timebomb in healthcare and pensions? No. They took the lower taxes, fuck the future, fuck the climate, fuck the national infrastructure we sold off/ didn't maintain, fuck what we did to education, no energy security, no food security, water system fucked and not upgraded since the war, and now we'll just demand our pensions and you should suck it up. Oh, and a large proportion of them voting for Brexit and screwing over young people now and for generations to come.

That is why people are pissed off. And the fact that apparently many of you seem oblivious to the fact that voting for all of that ^^ repeatedly - knowing it would totally screw future generations - is very telling. Yes, there are exceptions. But as a generation, it is the most selfish and also self-righteous. And always the belittling of others because they can't do what was easy for you in an entirely different economic climate, also goes down like a lead balloon.

This.

I fully recognise that my generation got dealt some aces, post war health care, full employment, free tertiary education, lower house prices etc , it was something we didn’t ask for, and no, it will never happen again. But at the same time, as women, we also got dealt some stinking shit hands such as sexism - both domestic and workplace , unequal pay, poor maternity care and benefits, poor understanding of womens health care generally, dismissal of domestic abuse as something that outside agencies shouldn’t interfere in etc etc etc and many of us have spent a lot of our energy trying to ensure that our daughters and their daughters haven’t had to fight those battles quite so hard.

Just remembered another couple ! Bank loans and mortgages, up until the 70s women applying for mortgages and bank loans were usually asked to provide a male guarantor to countersign the application. Didn’t matter who they were, or their financial probity, having a penis was enough to prove that they had more economic kudos than a woman.