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“Racism” towards the Irish on here

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Giantbanger · 30/10/2018 10:09

Can we please talk about it and can you please get your mods some training.

There was a thread that stood from yesterday. The op was goady and people were reporting the fuck out of it from yesterday.

It went this morning because the op was previously banned for being goady. No surprises there then.

But it contained a post from a member of MNHQ that really bothered me and I would like to discuss.

Add message | Report | Message poster EstherMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 29-Oct-18 19:43:38
Hello!
Thanks for all the reports on this one. We'd like to leave this up as it's a pretty interesting discussion - one for the colonial/post colonial literature experts perhaps (yes - we know there's an argument over whether Irish literature counts as such!) - so please keep to the spirit of the site when discussing this and make your points politely. Thanks

So if there’s a “racist” thread about the Irish, it is an interesting discussion and the Irish need to be polite when telling racists they are racists.

(And Yes. I know in the dictionary definition Irish isn’t a race. It’s a subset ethnicity of Caucasian but the term is used more broadly in general use than the dictionary definition.)

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Lonesurvivor · 31/10/2018 15:18

I read the thread yesterday and was dismayed by MNHQ response and again today I'm dismayed by their earlier response but neither time did I feel surprise or that it would be worth attempting to report any post as xenophobia towards Irish people is rife on here. I've also notice more recently (since Brexit maybe) northern Ireland people are also bearing the brunt of a lot of negative comments in regards to their situation and diversity.

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:19

The 1916 Treaty of Ireland is one of the strongest and most relevant politic statements ever made. Every word in it has inclusion for every Irish person - female, male, and anything else.

That was composed by Irish Nationalists.

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:21

Don't worry about the English ignorance. Just correct them whenever they get it wrong. They're ever so polite so will apologise and acknowledge their ignorance Wink

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:25

Declaration of Independence 1916

Here is a copy of the document that on Easter Monday, 1916, proclaimed Ireland a republic and a sovereign independent state. It was signed on 24 April 1916 by the seven members of the Military Council who now called themselves 'The Provisional Government of the Irish Republic'. They were James Connolly, Padraig Pearse, Eamonn Ceannt, Joseph Plunkett, Thomas MacDonagh, Thomas Clarke, and Sean MacDiarmada.

The Proclamation of Poblacht na h-Éireann

The Provisional Government of the Irish Republic

To the People of Ireland

1916 Proclamation Irishmen and Irishwomen: In the name of God and of the dead generations from which she receives her old tradition of nationhood, Ireland, through us, summons her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom. Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the Irish Volunteers, and the Irish Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the past three hundred years they have asserted it in arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish republic as a sovereign independent state, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations.

The Irish republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.

Until our arms have brought the opportune moment for the establishment of a permanent national government, representative of the whole people of Ireland, and elected by the suffrages of all her men and women, the Provisional Government, hereby constituted, will administer the civil and military affairs of the republic in trust for the people. We place the cause of the Irish republic under the protection of the Most High God, whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, inhumanity, or rapine. In this supreme hour the Irish nation must, by its valour and discipline, and by the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called.

Signed on behalf of the provisional government,

THOMAS J CLARKE, SEAN MACDIARMADA, THOMAS MACDONAGH, P H PEARSE, EAMONN CEANNT, JAMES CONNOLLY, JOSEPH PLUNKETT.

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:25

Of course most of the signatories to that proclamation were shot to death at Kilmainham gaol without trial.

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:26

WITHOUT TRIAL.

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:28

Joseph Mary Plunkett is the poet and sickly guy about whom the song Grace was written.
Here's a snippet of that.

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:30

Shot dead by the British Army. Important to note. Without Trial. By the British Army. In Ireland. Not that many years ago.

So, Irish comrades. Don't be disillusioned by the English hypocrisy or superiority. Know what our predecessors died for. Freedom.

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:32

Be proud of our heritage, particularly our freedom and don't ever be cowed down by British imperialism. Let them off to delude themselves, but don't be cowed.

rant over lol

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:34

I dare one British person to come on here and tell me that they even know one thing about the proclamation? One?

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:43

Didn't think so. Because they are entirely ignorant of the blood they shed.

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:46

In History, we covered Irish History obviously, but we covered British Imperialism, colonialism, American war of Independence. What does an English History class constitute? A study of your various monarchs?

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:50

My daughter is 14 and hell or high water would not lead me to bringing her to school in London where all they seem capable of is 'innit'.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, she is emerged in Irish language, culture, dancing, singing and sports. Over here it seems to be about your hair innit. No fucking way.
I'm sorry to my English people that I live among, but the Irish education system has and always will be superior to yours. Yours includes children from private schools into top universities. Ours is based on merit.

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SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:52

*immersed

plaidlife · 31/10/2018 15:54

Honestly I'm not a great fan of nationalism, it often seems not to bring out the best in people or nations. If often carries with it a sense of other with it and measuring yourself positively against that. It leads to delusions such as Brexit quite easily. Left untrammelled nationalism raises the political retoric to unsafe levels and can actually kill people.
I would like to make a plea for a lot less nationalism in the world and a lot more internationalism.

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SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:54

What do you know about it though?

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Littlegreyauditor · 31/10/2018 15:55

I had noticed recently, in the shadow of the looming Brexit shitstorm, that the pale-greens of Ireland are becoming decidedly more...Emerald. It’s particularly obvious here in the North.

Still, I never thought I’d see the day when someone nailed The Proclamation to a thread on mumsnet. Grin

LadyGregorysToothbrush · 31/10/2018 15:56

Glad to see you got the name of the Prclamation right on the third attempt, SheBangsIt Grin

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:56

Did you know as an English woman that you assasinated the signatories to the Proclamation without trial? Just answer truthfully. Did you know that?

LadyGregorysToothbrush · 31/10/2018 15:56

*Proclamation

SheBangsit · 31/10/2018 15:58

I was translating it for them [grin}