MNHQ We Have a Problem

[DioneTheDiabolist]

In the past week, we have had the NSPCC pull out of a Web chat about their Speak Out Stay Safe (teaching children how to stay safe from abuse and what to do if they have any concerns) and PANTS (teaching parents how to talk to young children about staying safe from sexual abuse in an age appropriate way) programmes.

We have also had Stella Creasey MP pull out of a Web chat about making misogyny a hate crime.

As I am interested and invested in the safety and wellbeing of women and children, I am disappointed that these Web chats did not take place, seemingly because the views of the NSPCC and Stella Creasey regarding Trans issues do not align with some GC MNetters.

I want to ask MNHQ, what are you doing/can be done to prevent this from happening again? Plenty of women and parents here would like to hear what they have to say about keeping our children safe and legislation being drafted to protect women.

What does GC stand for?

Gender critical
I too would love mnhq views on this

Yep im interested as well

Good morning MNHQ.

Have you had any thoughts about how to stop potential guests from pulling out? I was thinking about this last night, what about tightening up the posts on Questions For.... threads to 25 words + direct question.

That way, we may avoid some of the fillibustering and repeat questions on a topic.

I'd also like to know

Mumsnet popularity is waning somewhat. It's becoming weak .....

It's time that Mumsnet banned the handful of posters who deliberately ignore a mod's instructions and instead actively work to sink the Questions For.... threads by spamming them repeatedly with the same question, drowning out the voices of the real users on here who actually want to engage with the thread in good faith, in the knowledge that at least our questions will be heard and possibly answered.

I wonder what reason the NSPCC gave for pulling out. It may have been unavoidable and possibly has been rescheduled.

There was a whole thead about the NSPCC @Rebecca63, I think the full reason is there, I don't remember anything about rescheduling

GC concerns form a very important part of the debate on both of these issues. Why are they so scared of putting across their point of view, their side of the debate and then moving onto the other questions. Is that normally how it works?

If everybody’s positions aligned then there would be need for Q&As.

I don’t post much on the feminist boards, and I’m not entirely sure what happened but I think the NSPCC should be able to defend their position and answer a few questions they don’t like, whatever the questions.

Also, the whole of MN had the opportunity to ask questions, and if only the GC posters made use of them who is to blame?

Anyway, one way or the other it’s a shame it’s all happening.

I think it's very telling that NSPCC can't just publish a simple answer to the question people are seeking answers too and put the debate to bed.

The issue here is not MN users looking for answers to a genuine question, it's organisations like the NSPCC not being able to protect children because they cannot defend their own policies when questioned.

It's a shame it's happening, but the shame is that vulnerable children potentially are let down, not MN users highlighting that it's happening.

The threads were spammed. This not only puts off guests, it puts many regular MNetters off posting because they cba posting on what has become Another Trans Thread.

I think the Stella Creasey thread was a guest post rather than a web chat. MNHQ said that she'd left because she was due to be on television somewhere.

Actually, no one posted on the NSPCC thread ... if GC posters had not posted (legitimate and related) questions on the thread it would have been pulled due to lack of interest.

GC concerns form a very important part of the debate on both of these issues. Why are they so scared of putting across their point of view, their side of the debate and then moving onto the other questions. Is that normally how it works?

Exactly. The questions were extremely relevant. That they didn't offer any kind of response addressing concerns based on their supposedly reasonable position speaks volumes.

The thread wasnt spammed

But clarification from mumsnet would be appreciated

As far as I could see the questions posed on both threads were complete appropriate to the subjects at hand.

I’m particularly disappointed in the NSPC that they aren’t prepared to discuss these issues and present/defend their stance.

Op, if you wanted to participate in the NSPCC webchat, then why didn't you post a question?

We can’t just have contributors saying “trans stuff is tricky and hard so we aren’t going to talk about it”.

Self identification a key issue in women’s rights and in children’s safeguarding. They should be talking about it.

There are a number of vociferous GC posters and they shouldn’t have to apologise for their views or questions!

The question really is- what are these public bodies and individuals doing about women’s rights and safeguarding children??

Yes the trans issue is important.

But there is more to child safeguarding than trans issues and there is more to misogyny than trans issues.

Ok - but then MN posters needed to take this up. The NSPCC thread lay dormant for days...

My understanding was the the NSPCC didn't actually turn up for their webchat. Is that wrong?

I've stopped reading or posting on any FWR thread because it's turned into single-minded transphobia, so I guess I'll be hiding this too

But there is more to child safeguarding than trans issues and there is more to misogyny than trans issues.

Very true Dione, it’s difficult to discuss those other issues if the presenters are so pusillanimous they won’t hang around so we can get to them though...