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Trans. Again.

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SnookPlanter · 02/08/2018 23:34

I’m sorry, this is another trans thread but @mnhq, @JustineMumsnet I do think you have a problem. The latest anti-trans mob tactic is to conflate the trans rights movement with child abuse. I see it frequently here; sometimes straight up references to grooming and paedophilia, more frequently scurrilous talk of safeguarding on trans threads where is simply isn’t relevant. However, the tactic is clear: make an association between trans rights and paedophilia and child abuse. It’s grotesque. It’s all over the FWR boards and it’s creeping into other topics now. There’s a dozen page thread in AIBU right now with the usual suspects all over it.

As someone who grew up in the eighties I’ve seen this before with the drive for LBGT rights, the same scare-mongering and moral panic and it’s depressing that somewhere I’ve loved for so long is serving as a home for this kind of stuff.

I know you do your best and I applaud your last attempt to manage this with the updated talk guidelines. I understand how important free speech is to you but please – take another look at your talk guidelines and stamp this out. I get that facilitating discussion is important and I think you’re doing a great job of managing a very hard situation but some of this stuff is frankly hate speech. I hate that Mumsnet is seen by some as a home for this kind of thing.

I know I’ll get jumped on by the usual suspects but honestly this isn’t about trans stuff, it’s about Mumsnet and what it stands for. I’m a long time lurker of several years (penis beaker, naice ham, ditanny and the FWR wars etc). I appreciate and love Mumsnet, for what it is and what it allows but I can’t stand by and watch these posts without saying something.

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hazeyjane · 02/08/2018 23:38

Surely if you report the posts that contain 'hate speech', mnhq will delete them.

gamerchick · 02/08/2018 23:41

What on earth are you on about? I'm personally getting tired of seeing the word transphobic. Can we ban those who use it bosspeople?

Or just report the posts and if they're not deleted then you might be wrong.

DorothyGarrod · 02/08/2018 23:44

If there are so many posts then it is clearly an issue that people are concerned about. This is a forum where women discuss, debate and engage with each other - you should not attempt to shut down discussions you don’t like without reporting specific posts.

NoSquirrels · 02/08/2018 23:51

scurrilous talk of safeguarding on trans threads where is simply isn’t relevant

Do you have an example for those of us who might be concerned?

For example, I have just used the word 'safeguarding' on a thread about the Girl Guides. I don't think that's "scurrilous" but rather on topic and within talk guidelines.

I don't want any of these transphobic hate-speech mongers you warn of diluting my real concerns about safeguarding, so I would be interested to see the posts you mention.

BlindedByYourGrey · 02/08/2018 23:53

Just report it. Mnhq are very on the ball.

JoanneMumsnet · 03/08/2018 11:36

Hi SnookPlanter,

As others have said already, we don't allow hate speech on the site and will of course delete any posts that break our Talk Guidelines if they're reported to us.

We're a post-moderated site and rely on our members to report any posts which they feel cross the line - if something isn't reported, the chances are we won't have seen it so please just hit the report button. We do our best to reply to every single report as soon as we can.

We've set out our Statement on moderation in particular with regard to trans rights here.

The bottom line is, we're a parenting website so if our members have concerns about the safeguarding of children we're happy for them to discuss those issues here, provided they post within our Talk Guidelines.

Aridane · 05/08/2018 12:06

Actually I think this is quite a difficult one. The threads / posts the OP may be referring to are ones where posters will say they are comparing tactics of padeophiles with TRAs, not saying that TRAa are paedophiles. However, the overall takeaway impression of the thread is that TRAs are of a moral equivalence with paedophiles or those grooming children. But it’s difficult to report a ‘feel’ of a thread...

QuoadUltra · 09/08/2018 22:20

This type of general broad brush whinge is ridiculous. Report the relevant post, there’s a report button.

An earnest tone OP is not really much of a contribution to either side of it isn’t specific.

dontbringmedown · 09/08/2018 22:26

If there are so many posts then it is clearly an issue that people are concerned about. This is a forum where women discuss, debate and engage with each other - you should not attempt to shut down discussions you don’t like without reporting specific posts.

This.
What I find disgusting is that you are trying to silence people from discussing SAFEGUARDING.
Safeguarding children is a serious topic and has to be discussed.

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