Statement in support of women threatened with a 'device' for speaking

[JoanSummers]

A meeting planned by the women's rights group Woman's Place UK has been threatened that a "device" will be placed at the venue.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3278892-Womans-Place-UK-meeting-threatened-with-device

The device is allegedly being placed 'in retaliation' for the Hampstead Pool action taken by another women's rights group, #ManFriday, which is organised by a group of female Mumsnet contributors.

The Hastings Woman's Place event that has been threatened is likely to be attended by women from all over the UK, including many who are regular contributors to Mumsnet.

Given that Justine and MN have recently created new rules regulating the words which women may use here when speaking about women's rights, especially in the context of the current battle over gender, in which both Woman's Place UK and #ManFriday are involved, and that Justine's statement regarding these new rules begins:
"Mumsnet will always stand in solidarity with vulnerable or oppressed minorities. Mumsnet is also committed to freedom of speech."
www.mumsnet.com/info/trans-rights-moderation-policy

I would like to ask Justine and Mumsnet if they will make a further statement in light of this new threat against a women's meeting which multiple regular MN contributors will likely be attending, stating that Mumsnet stands in solidarity with women who are speaking and organising for women's rights, and condemning the actions of those who threaten them.

How about it?

You don't want to dissociate yourself from people who appear to be terrorists that not only threatened a bomb, that may be the same people who had bomb making equipment, who are against #ManFriday? Who want to bomb women speaking? Have I got this right?

Then you expected women to want to embrace your presence everywhere?

You don't want to dissociate yourself from people who appear to be terrorists that not only threatened a bomb, that may be the same people who had bomb making equipment, who are against #ManFriday? Who want to bomb women speaking? Have I got this right

No - you have got that completely wrong.

Speaking as someone who is trans, I condemn anyone who uses such methods to intimidate people trying to speak up

Thank you for the clarification. I apologise for the misunderstanding.

I don:t understand, i’m sorry. You want to disassociate yourself, but don:t agree with a “not in my name” statement?

You made the statement yes, but you followed with "...but" and turned the subject away from women being threatened to how it was unfair to expect trans people to condemn it.

And that is the problem. It isn't about you.

And that is the problem. It isn't about you

It affects trans people though. Because trans people are judged by others, condemned for the actions of certain trans activists, stereotyped in the media, expected to speak up and condemn the actions of activists, judged as trans people not as people and are currently subject to a media onslaught.

So all this stuff affects us as well. It affects our lives. It affects the way people see us.

Just like other groups such as Muslims who are exposed to all the stereotyping, media headlines, judgements etc and expected to condemn the actions of extremists and say 'not in their name'.

So it's about all of us. This stuff affects women and it affects transpeople as well. Because people will judge us because of the actions of an extremist.

“Just like other groups such as Muslims who are exposed to all the stereotyping, media headlines, judgements etc and expected to condemn the actions of extremists and say 'not in their name'“

Muslims speak out to condemn violence committed by other Muslims on a regular basis.

And if we’re comparing “media onslaughts” I reckon Muslims might be able to give transpeople a tip or two..........

It affects trans people though. Because trans people are judged by others, condemned for the actions of certain trans activists..
And there it is, again.

Perhaps the way to stop being judged as condoning terrorist threats on your behalf, is to condemn terrorist threats on your behalf.

Perhaps the way to stop sounding like self obsessed people with a severe lack of empathy for women, is to stop speaking over women about your oen woes when we talk about those threats.

That's the last time I'm engaging with your posts, really don't waste your time replying to me, I've already wasted enough replying to you.

Perhaps the way to stop being judged as condoning terrorist threats on your behalf, is to condemn terrorist threats on your behalf

Do you assume Muslim people condone terrorist threats on their behalf if they don't condemn them?

I don't judge Muslim people who don't condone such threats.

Perhaps the way to stop sounding like self obsessed people with a severe lack of empathy for women, is to stop speaking over women about your oen woes when we talk about those threats

I will say it again

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3209903-to-say-not-in-my-name?msgid=77155457

When transactivists threaten a woman organising a clothes swap on Facebook and get the venue to stop the event just because they don't like the views of the organiser.

Not in my name

When transactivists threaten women on twitter and tell them to 'suck my lady penis'.

Not in my name

When transactivists threaten women with hate laws and call in the police because they express their opinions.

Not in my name

When transactivists demand access to single sex spaces despite not bothering with thinking about how the women might feel.

Not in my name

When transactivists shut down venues and silence people who have their own concerns over what is going on.

Not in my name.

And now threatening to bomb people is something else I need to add to that list.

Perhaps the way to stop being judged as condoning terrorist threats on your behalf, is to condemn terrorist threats on your behalf

Do you issue a statement each time someone with similar characteristics to yourself commits a crime? Or would you think that ridiculous as the criminal does not represent you, nor you them?

Perhaps the way to stop sounding like self obsessed people with a severe lack of empathy for women, is to stop speaking over women about your oen woes when we talk about those threats.

You're very rude. yetanothertranswoman has done nothing of the sort, and has responded politely even when clearly being goaded by other posters.

Honestly, you're part of the problem.

ou're very rude. yetanothertranswoman has done nothing of the sort, and has responded politely even when clearly being goaded by other posters

Thanks. I regularly condemn the transactivists and have challenged them online and spoken to my MP about self ID. I am on the Terfblocker list on Twitter.

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Eleven hours and still not a peep.

To be honest if a Parents' terror group did something in the name of parents I would be happy to say not in my name, without prompting. Having said that I think yetanother doesn't excuse or condone at all.

If MN make a statement condemning this I'll eat my hat. They have nailed their colours to the mast and it isn't in support of women's rights.

@MNHQ does your continued silence indicate that you condone bomb threats aimed at women who met on your boards?

@MNHQ does your continued silence indicate that you condone bomb threats aimed at women who met on your boards?

Certainly looks that way.

This is disgraceful.

We have all watched this escalate (most recently on here with the ridiculous thought policing) - every time the transcult gets these little victories they just ramp it up some more. And now fucking bomb threats, police raids and bomb making equipment. And STILL not one word from @MNHQ. People make arrangements to meet up on this site for these meetings @MNHQ and your silence here is damning.

But of course it's far more important that you focus on the heinous crime of misgendering and referring to not-even-members-of-MN's biology. 👌 excellent priorities.

Reporting thread just in case they've not actually seen it. Maybe if we all report a comment one way or the other will be forthcoming.

When we write @MNHQ does it actually get their attention?

I don't know. I put this in Site Stuff to get their attention. I know it has been the weekend but you'd have thought this was serious enough to warrant a response.

Maybe they're busy consulting on how best to respond without further upsetting aggressive woman-hating males on twitter, that does seem to be their priority these days.

JoanSummers

I'm not surprised about the lack of response. They haven't responded to this one and it was made on Thurssday.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3277790-if-sex-is-one-of-the-9-protected-characteristics-under-the-ea-why-are-you-banning-women-from-using-it-when-discussing-trans-issues?msgid=78684637

Yet this one took just half an hour for a response on a Sunday night.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3280866-How-do-I-get-my-name-back-after-a-name-change

Wow!

Have they replied yet? OI @MumsetHQ. Getting fucking sick of this, support your service users.

That makes me wonder if they are having to consult a lawyer before they respond.

Because I agree that their new rules appear to be breaching their duties under the Equality Act. And whether they should condemn serious threats against some of their contributors is a no-brainer really, of course they should

They're stuck. The statement we want would be twisted into a statement 'in favour of anti-trans organisation wpuk'. I bet they'd like to do one. It would have to be Justine who pushes for it though.