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Are we allowed to talk about women and/or lesbians?

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 24/08/2016 23:09

I'm referring to the deleted thread from Chat today. It was started to discuss issues arising from some of the statements made by Edinburgh University's ex-LGBT rep, which were anti-semitic, misogynistic and lesbophobic (amongst other things.

This rep identifies as trans. Various posters (both trans and not) were either ignorant of their preferred pronouns, or didn't use them consistently. I can believe some people also deliberately misgendered them; I didn't see. The debate, so far as I understand it, ended with the claim that we should not use 'they' in statements of the form 'This group, they are like this' or 'This group, they do that'.

This may be a valid debate. I don't know. But it seemed to me it was a complete derail of the original debate, and one that replicates the exact type of erasure that LGBT students at Edinburgh were experiencing when they were being made to feel unwelcome.

MNHQ's deletion message included this: We understand folks will want to talk more about pronouns and trans issues in general on another thread perhaps - but we would ask that you do so in way that doesn't rehash or repeat this thread.

HQ, could you please let us know why you think everything has to be dominated by discussions like this? Can't there be some way of restricting them, so they don't take over every attempt to discuss misogyny or lesbianism or bisexuality?

There were posters on that thread sharing very personal experiences, and to delete the thread with the claim that we've discussed pronouns in the wrong way seems insulting.

KiranMumsnet · 25/08/2016 11:47

Morning all,

We know it's frustrating when a thread takes a direction that you didn't anticipate or want. But we feel as moderators, it's not our place to control conversation as explicitly as saying people can't discuss certain issues on threads.

We know we're a broken record - but we do feel the best way to allow everyone to have their say is to allow free-flowing conversation, and to make sure that everyone sticks within the talk guidelines, so threads don't descend into nastiness.

For those interested, we have commented more generally about moderation on transgenderism on another thread here.

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