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Protesting deletions on the thread about trans sex offender

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MephistoMarley · 03/08/2016 15:22

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2699708-to-think-this-person-should-be-in-jail?msgid=62706219#62706219

I thoroughly dispute that my posts or many of the op's posts were transphobic. I stated several times that people can't change sex and that trans women are male, these are absolute, verifiable facts. Not matters of opinion. And definitely not phobic or bigoted statements. Something has changed in your moderation policy recently and a lot more is being deleted for perceived transphobia which wouldn't have previously. What is happening here? Are we being shut down? Are facts beyond the pale at mumsnet now?

KatherineMumsnet · 03/08/2016 18:15

Hi all,

We temporarily removed the thread so we could go through and remove what we felt broke Talk Guidelines. We will discuss this at MNHQ and review the thread in question. The last thing we like to do is upset folk or shut down discussion.

RebeccaMumsnet · 09/08/2016 16:21

Hi all

We've been through the original thread now and reinstated some deletions. As you know, MNHQ's general position is to try and allow the debate to flow, but in truth it's a complex area and we're all feeling our way a bit.

Thanks for your patience, though and apologies if we were a bit heavy with our deletions.

KateMumsnet · 11/08/2016 11:05

Morning everyone

As you know, we generally aim to keep intervention to a minimum and let the conversation flow, and we don't think there's much to be gained by being too prescriptive on terms; firstly, because our thinking on this is evolving with the public discourse, and secondly because - as ever - context is everything. Our overarching guide in all this is to consider whether posters are treating one another with mutual respect and courtesy; these are the building blocks of a productive discussion.

Broadly, we're unlikely to delete posts which coincide with mainstream scientific orthodoxy. This is very much contingent on tone, however - as ever we'll delete posts which we consider to be disrespectful, goady or a personal attack, and we're unlikely to enter into a discussion about individual posts.

There is debate to be had about the differences between biological sex and gender, and we’re very glad that Mumsnet is a place where folks feel able to do so. We're pragmatic, though - there's only so much time that we can devote to this issue without it impacting on our ability to respond to other MNers who need help, so sometimes we make fairly quick decisions on whether or not to delete. Our best advice, therefore, is to stay resolutely within the guidelines.

Hope this is useful.

MNHQ

KateMumsnet · 11/08/2016 11:30

I address the question of prescriptive guidelines at the top of my post, Beyond.

We've posted about misgendering before - deliberately doing so is not on, I'm afraid.

PresidentOliviaMumsnet · 27/08/2016 10:20

@BeyondLovesSweetDee

I'll say okay cote, but I'm still not entirely understanding tbh!! Grin

If I hypothetically say that at some point in the future I may lose my temper and personally attack someone (not re trans here at all, just in general) could I be banned for that? Looks the same to me?

If you lose your temper and personally attack someone then yes.
We hope that won't happen though -and we review every report on a case by case basis to try and see context (one person's "you atrocious cunt" is another person's "you darling" for example)

Think the guidelines for Sleb web chats make it even easier. If you WOULDN"T say it to someone's face, don't type it on MN.
HTH
peace and love

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