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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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Mutt · 19/08/2015 08:00

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LoopyLily · 19/08/2015 08:00

How do you do a quick check on the list from a phone? It was on the other thread that filled up but that thread has now been taken off here.
The list is on Twitter.

00100001 · 19/08/2015 08:00

loki no-one is going to link to the list.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 08:00

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bigTillyMint · 19/08/2015 08:01

Thanks 001!

00100001 · 19/08/2015 08:01

loppy you're not on the list

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 08:01

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LoopyLily · 19/08/2015 08:01

Thanks 001.

Hassled · 19/08/2015 08:02

Thanks

Penfold007 · 19/08/2015 08:02

Question to those checking the list. How are you reading thorough so many names in a couple of minutes?

Toooldtobearsed · 19/08/2015 08:02

Well, I am on the list and my personal email is flooded, and I mean flooded with spam for the first time ever. Always get the odd one, but I have 997 emails in my inbox and as quickly as I am deleting them, new ones are popping up.
My passwords for MN and email account were different.

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 08:03

control and f penfold

SnozzberryPie · 19/08/2015 08:03

Hello, I have been logged out for a couple of days but just changed my password and got back in.

Can anyone let me know how to find this list or check if I am on it?

Thanks

iMum · 19/08/2015 08:03

If anyone is able to check if I'm on the list that'd be great-I've had no phising emails-well I might have but I never heck my emails so wouldn't have responded lol

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 08:03

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captainproton · 19/08/2015 08:03

I really think it ought to be wise to assume you are on the list, and if you use your old password for things like your email or bank to change all your passwords to these sites too. I know I am on the list I checked at stupid o'clock this morning. But even if MN sent me an email now saying you are now safe and the Jeffrey threat has been quarantined, I would want to make sure I was safe and not rely on anyone else to tell me I was.

MustBeThursday · 19/08/2015 08:04

Could someone please check the list for me please? Thing is I log in with my email not my username, so I don't know if that would affect it

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 08:04

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Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 08:04

No imum and snoozeberry

TwentiethCenturyGirl · 19/08/2015 08:04

Thanks for checking pegs Smile

wannaBe · 19/08/2015 08:04

I haven't read the 1000 plus posts on these threads although I read (and commented on) the early part of yesterday's thread and saw the unfolding of the list etc.

tbh, I am failing to see why mn hasn't been taken down at this point in order to sort out this mess once and for all. And no, reasons like "then we would be giving the hacker what he wants" are no longer good enough. Fact is, there is a list out there of usernames and passwords of thousands and thousands of users. Am I on it? I don't know. But "we believe that data wasn't compromised" doesn't cut it any more because those passwords are out there, and there is no way of knowing that hackers don't still have control of your systems. Dadsec or whatever itse name is seemed to be quite merrily posting here last night unheeded so clearly you're not in as much control as you would like, however much you are reassuring users that you are.

I am hugely sympathetic to justine and others who have been personally affected by this, and and I can't imagine what it must be like to have to sort out a security breach of this level. However mn needs to do serious damage limitation now if it is to recover at all, which tbh is surely doubtful. and while there is still doubt over what information has been compromised and what access the hackers still have, the prudent thing to do would surely be to take mn down while it is sorted. If revenue is lost, so be it, but surely it will be more damaging to your revenue if it transpires that your breach have put users and their children at personal risk?

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 08:05

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Notstayingup · 19/08/2015 08:05

Flowers minionsoftruth

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 08:05

No mustbe

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 08:06

agree with captain Tbh. I'm convinced more of us are on.