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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 13:31

@homeaway

Where is the list and how do we find out if we are on it ? thanks

You can see it here, homeaway

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 13:33

@sebsmummy1

Still waiting to be deregged.

Apols sebsmummy1 - as you can imagine we've had lots of requests; we're working through them as fast as we possibly can, and have drafted in people from all teams within MNHQ to help out.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 13:36

@iamaboveandBeyond

I asked on thread one, not sure if you are still reading that so i'm sorry to post again if you are...

With everyone talking about spam, i've noticed that the email i originally set mn up with (its been changed for quite a while, dont think it has even been done this year) has had tonnes of it in the last week. Is this info stored at all anywhere, or does it disappear as soon as it is changed?

I guess this also applies to people saying that old passwords have been published?

Thanks iamaboveandBeyond - I'm checking this for you

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 13:38

@Tangfastics

Hang on, the email from MNHQ says the list of passwords is from at least a week ago.

So, what's it to be ?? Confused

Apols Tangfastic; the email wasn't as clearly worded as it might have been. We know from looking at the passwords of MNHQers on the list that some of them are over a week old, but can't say with certainty that others weren't obtained later. Sorry for any confusion.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 13:41

@Paulrn

Did I make the list

Not under that username, Paulrn

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 13:50

@AllThatGlistensIs

Sarah

I think Jeffrey has resurfaced on the thread about the Ashley Madison hackings.

Thanks for heads up AllThatGlistensIs

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 13:51

@LauraGrooves

MN are linking to the hackers page?! Ffs copy it off and create an article on your own site.

link removed

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 13:52

@ThumbWitchesAbroad

I've just heard from a MN friend on FB that she is on that list but hasn't been near MN for ages - so what does that mean for your phishing theory MNHQ? It of course doesn't disprove it - but it does suggest that there was something else going on at least as well.

Thanks for the info ThumbWitchesAbroad - will pass on to tech

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 13:55

To those who've posted about increased spam - thanks v much for your reports and we're looking into this.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:02

@MissDuke

MNHQ, just to let you know that I have carefully checking my history and there is definitely no sign of 'phishing' and I always click in from a bookmark anyway. I am clueless with techy stuff, but I don't believe phishing is the cause of this.

Is it ok just to change password, or better to change username too?

Thanks MissDuke - have passed on to tech.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:07

@TheHoneyBadger

i said earlier don't be daft it's not a knitting circle run part time by mum's in their spare time but a proper professional business - i'm beginning to wonder. can't believe that link was posted! the management of this is a joke i'm afraid.

mn just provided a link to my and thousands of others data - not enough to have had it hacked in the first place. and the site is still up even though people are telling you that they are now abe to log into others accounts and from there into their email accounts etc? how is this acceptable?

i'm beginning to think only having criminal action taken against the site will make it be responsible.

Sincere apologies TheHoneyBadger; it's removed now. Because the list and link had been so widely shared on MN and elsewhere I foolishly linked to it, but you're right: irresponsible to link to it again. It's gone now.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:08

@Fiderer

homeaway: Where is the list and how do we find out if we are on it ? thanks

SarahMumsnet: You can see it on DadSec's website, homeaway

HEH? Why not direct posters to the MN thread with the list?

Here

thanks Fiderer, doing now

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:13

@NewNameFor2015

Is the hacker still around or is MNpostingbot just stirring?

We're aware of the poster and looking into it, NewNameFor2015

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:18

@TheHoneyBadger

any response at all to the facts revealed there about still being able to get into people's accounts and from there into other email accounts etc? have i missed a response or is that just being ignored because surely that 's a huge issue???

Sorry TheHoneyBadger - working as fast as we can to respond. Will go over and raise with tech now. Give me five mins.

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:21

As this thread will shortly max our here's a link to the Third thread about this

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:22

Sorry TheHoneyBadger, just looking at this again, and to clarify - I think you're saying that it's possible to get into users' accounts with the passwords from the list, even after they've changed their password. Is that correct? You will be able to get into users' accounts with the password on the list if they've YET to change their password, but if they have, this should be impossible.

WE've advised all users to change passwords on any accounts for which they also use their MN password, but obviously we can't force that.

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