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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
00100001 · 19/08/2015 08:49

PMed you bigred

Mrsjayy · 19/08/2015 08:50

Out of interest am I on the list?

wannaBe · 19/08/2015 08:50

I don't blame mn for the hacking, the most secure sites have been hacked in the past such as carphone warehouse, various banks etc so it literally can happen to anyone.

However I think their handling of it has been appalling. Where are mn hq on this thread? Why, if they cannot reassure users that their data hasn't and isn't still being compromised is the site still up?

Mn needs to be shut down until this can be resolved. IMO this could be the end of mn because after this I can't imagine many people will have much faith in their abilities to handle something like this.

00100001 · 19/08/2015 08:50

PMedyou already Mrs Jayy :)

Dothetwist · 19/08/2015 08:50

That twitter account claims one of the MODS is part of their hacking group

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 08:51

Yes mrsjayy will pm you

Toooldtobearsed · 19/08/2015 08:51

Shutting down is like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Pretty pointless.
The one thing I believe was handled badly is that forced password resets should be the norm immediately any incursion takes place. Simple as that, no one gets back in without resetting their password.
It was the time between the initial attack and the forced password reset where the damage was done.

SoupDragon · 19/08/2015 08:51

Have MNHQ commented on this at all, given Justine said We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

FarelyKnuts · 19/08/2015 08:51

Can someone check mine please?

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 08:51

Just an FYI that i havent had the standard "you need to reset" email yet either. Also agree that posting this on your twitter and fb would be helpful, especially as the emails are taking yonks to get through.

wooldonor · 19/08/2015 08:52

I didn't have any problems changing my password yesterday and I'm wondering if there's any connection between people who have had problems and those that are on the list so far?

I'm also interested in the post above saying that sadly deceased members are on the list, that would seriously damage the phishing explanation and would suggest some immediate action should be directed towards following that up. Would it be insensitive to ask for an example, sorry I can't remember the poster's name, things are moving so quickly

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered · 19/08/2015 08:52

Am I on the list please.

LauraGrooves · 19/08/2015 08:52

How many people does MN emolply? Presumably just a few people that work from home for content and moderation?

There is no towers I suspect, hence why the response has been awful.

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 08:53

farelynuts will pm you

DisappointedOne · 19/08/2015 08:53

However I think their handling of it has been appalling. Where are mn hq on this thread? Why, if they cannot reassure users that their data hasn't and isn't still being compromised is the site still up?

That's unfair. They were probably up all night trying to sort this out.

Don't let panic get in the way of facts:

Mumsnet don't collect sensitive information like addresses or even real names.

Mumsnet passwords are encrypted - the passwords weren't taken from their system but via people entering passwords into the hacked site.

Nobody can do anything sinister with an IP address.

It's never been good practice to use the same email address and password on lots of sites. It's not mumsnet's fault if you have.

Beeswax2017 · 19/08/2015 08:53

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 08:54

No bewitched

Floggingmolly · 19/08/2015 08:54

It won't allow me to change my email address????

Beeswax2017 · 19/08/2015 08:55

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

sebsmummy1 · 19/08/2015 08:55

Sorry the encrypted password comment is bullshit, they have been able to see the passwords and they are the ones from the recent change.

wannaBe · 19/08/2015 08:55

Toooldtobearsed yes if security wasn't still being compromised but at this point mn hq have no idea whether or not that is the case. They didn't actually know until the weekend that this hacker had access to user accounts, and that list didn't make it online until last night. Dadsec was merrily posting last night and even though his posts were being deleted he wasn't being prevented from posting so clearly he had access to something. Justine was posting last night, are we to believe that justine doesn't have the correct access to ban users from her own website?

LondonHuffyPuffy · 19/08/2015 08:55

Can someone please PM me a copy of the list? I think this username should be ok as I have reset the password and haven't logged in through a phishing page, but bit worried about old usernames.

Many thanks

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 08:55

Laura there's a proper office in london

Cacan · 19/08/2015 08:55

There has been a thread for a week on log in problems but we were told it was just a techie problem each day . If they did no what was happening and didn't tell us then that is bad.

Cacan · 19/08/2015 08:55

know

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