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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
mintpoppet · 19/08/2015 08:38

I want to de register but can't. Page not recognised. Seems unfair to keep us here mumsnet when our details aren't safe. Can this be sorted so I can de register?

Loki17 · 19/08/2015 08:38

Thank you to all of those who helped. Smile

Bettercallsaul1 · 19/08/2015 08:38

Thank you very much, Minion and Altinkum! You're performing an invaluable public service here!

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 08:39

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Beeswax2017 · 19/08/2015 08:39

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Dothetwist · 19/08/2015 08:40

Does anyone else think mumsnet should delete all threads involving those asking for help to esacape / in danger.

The publishing of the screennames could really put some people in harms way

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 19/08/2015 08:40

MNHQ please shut down
Stop everything until you get to the bottom of this
Far better than what is currently happening

backonthewagon · 19/08/2015 08:41

PlainHunting i think as a minimum you have to have your email address in your account details and first name (but you can make that up)

pillowaddict · 19/08/2015 08:41

On phone with no laptop here, could someone possibly check if I'm on the list please?

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 08:42

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00100001 · 19/08/2015 08:42

livinlavida PMed you

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 08:42

I deregistered my old account for that reason thinking it would delete old posts twists but it doesn't.

hesterton · 19/08/2015 08:43

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Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 08:43

No pillowaddict

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 08:43

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Minisoksmakehardwork · 19/08/2015 08:44

Just a note re generic email from MN to users, I've still not had an email asking me to change password. Other have indicated these should have been sent yesterday and I've checked junk boxes.

I only found out about it when the app refused to let me log in and I had to go to the desktop site (obviously not logged in) to read posts and find out that way that I needed to reset my password.

DoreenLethal · 19/08/2015 08:44

I agree; but they have only published 3000 passwords. They likely have many more AND have said more is to come.

IF you have used your MN password for ANYTHING else, whether on the list or not - you need to change the other passwords. Like - yesterday.

And MN - please shut down for a while eh? Just leave up a message telling people to change MN passwords AND passwords if they were the same as the MN one. Then come back once it is sorted.

TheImminentGin · 19/08/2015 08:45

Thank you for checking.

twirlypoo · 19/08/2015 08:45

I second that actually, I think now is the time to shut down and regroup.

Toooldtobearsed · 19/08/2015 08:46

My email address contains both Christian and surname (as, I suspect an awful lot will).
My email account is unusable. I now have over a thousand emails in there. This has never happened to me before and I can only conclude that they have nicked my email address and are happily spamming (I am on the list).
I, however, do NOT blame MN for this. An email address is accessible from numerous sources and it is amazing, really, that this does not happen more often.
However, there is no doubt in my mind that my current difficulties and this hacking at MN are linked.

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 08:47

my email was the same

sebsmummy1 · 19/08/2015 08:47

Just to say that MNHQ are now deregistering my account after filling out the dereg form but the page went into 'page not found' so i assumed it wasn't working.

For those who also want to leave it's still worth filling out the deregisteration form. See you all on the other side one day Grin

00100001 · 19/08/2015 08:48

no need to shut down MN because of this.

BigRedBall · 19/08/2015 08:48

Shit am I on the list? Can someone message me I have other nn's too...

ghostyslovesheep · 19/08/2015 08:48

Thank you c

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