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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ!

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JustineMumsnet · 18/08/2015 15:37

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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SusanMichelson · 18/08/2015 17:24

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Sparklingbrook · 18/08/2015 17:24

Ooh now you are asking LH. Um, they don't make me go Hmm IYKWIM. Normal human men? Grin

JessicaMumsnet · 18/08/2015 17:25

@BoreOfWhabylon

Justine I reset my password as you instructed and all was well until I went to another open browser window. When I came back to MN I was logged out. Tried to log in with the new password but not accepted. Tried with old one - nada. but The url didn't have the 'secure' https etc.

Aaaaaanyway, eventually I requested another pw reset, changed pw again and am now back - BUT the url when I lgged in was still only mumsnet.com

Confused

Thanks for letting us know BoreOfWhabylon am glad you're in now, sorry for the palaver

SusanMichelson · 18/08/2015 17:26

Sorry x posts Jessica - thanks, I'm not sure what you mean though.

I already did the password reset using my usual email address.

Then someone suggested using a separate email address so I tried to change that, it sent me an email to confirm, I clicked the link and it asked for my password, which I entered.

Then the error page comes up.

usualsuspect333 · 18/08/2015 17:27

I'm a bit pissed off that it took this long for MNHQ to tell is how serious this was.

It was treated as a joke when it clearly wasn't.

ouryve · 18/08/2015 17:27

Only the login page (or others where you change personal details) is https, Bore. Thread pages, like this one, simply start off www.mumsnet.com/Talk/...

oldgrandmama · 18/08/2015 17:28

Many thanks for update. I've changed my password.

quietasamouse · 18/08/2015 17:28

But Justine surely if people have supplied their postcodes when signing up a hacker could find out where they lived?

DixieNormas · 18/08/2015 17:28

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middlings · 18/08/2015 17:28

Have you had another attack? I've been kicked out again this afternoon on all devices and have just had to reset again.

Flaperon · 18/08/2015 17:29

FWIW (and slightly aside from the data breach but not completely OT) I have seen what looks like a lot of social engineering type threads on here, i.e. asking for names of DCs, names of mothers, where people work, what they do, pets names, where you were born, what area you live in etc.

I'm sure some of these are perfectly genuine, but I would be extremely wary of answering these types of questions on a public forum.

CoogerAndDark · 18/08/2015 17:31

I don't know whether to feel miffed at being treated like a mushroom or amused at the blasé attitude of MNHQ while all this was going on.

youarekiddingme · 18/08/2015 17:31

Thanks Justine. I couldn't log in and now I know why!

sorry to hear about all the swat teams and also hope the MNer involved is OK. How scary for all involved.

Thankyou for this update and links. It's reassuring to know what has happened and also I appreciate no where on the interweb is safe. That's unfortunately a downside of today's wonderful modern technology.

Hope everyone involved, MNHQ and the MN posters all have a restful rest of summer holidays. Wine

SusanMichelson · 18/08/2015 17:31

I've just tried changing my password using the new email address. It works but the new email address won't appear in my account page.

It reverts to the old one if I change it.
However I was able to change my password.

badg3r · 18/08/2015 17:32

Hmmm...
Pretty sure my password had been changed since I suddenly couldn't login to the app and my password is saved automatically. Anyone else have this problem?

SusanMichelson · 18/08/2015 17:32

But I'm not getting an email notification of password change to either of the addresses, old or new.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 18/08/2015 17:32

YES Flaperon - I've been wary of those too! And avoided them.

CoogerAndDark · 18/08/2015 17:32

Yay, quietasamouse. If you give your real name and postcode you can be traced. Wouldn't even need the house name/number for Swatting as the police would kindly narrow it down for you.

JustineMumsnet · 18/08/2015 17:34

@Maryz

I just don't understand how you have known for a week that this was serious (you must have know when police turned up, it doesn't get more serious than that), and yet mnhq have bee posting reassuring "it's all going to be fine" and amusing "oh he's at it again" type posts all over the place.

It seems to me that this was serious enough that you should have warned people a week ago that you had a major problem with security and that people should be careful.

You didn't have to wait until you had all the details; a generic warning is the least you should have done, imo.

Because you didn't know if it was even more serious. You didn't know for sure that someone "out there" didn't have full access to everyones' email addresses and passwords for an entire week.

I think there are two distinct things you're conflating here.

RE the swatting, to be honest I wasn't overkeen on giving him his moment of drama - no doubt what he was after - and the Mnetter concerned was very shaken up and didn't want to post on the thread. Also we were liaising with the police and very much hoping for a quick conclusion or that he would out himself over time. So far, as said, the police have drawn a blank and the dust has settled a bit. So we consulted with the MNetter he'd swatted today and decided to inform you all just on the off-chance he does it again - I was mightily to be honest when I realised it was a hoax and not a real gunman prowling round my house - and thought it was right to put out there.

With regard to user data we didn't know he had access to member passwords until Sunday when he posted as a Mumsnet user - prior to that he was editing posts which is a different thing altogether and didn't indicate he knew user passwords. Even then it was very hard to work out how he might have got them - most likely guess was that he knew/ guessed an individual password of an MNHQ admin - and so we locked MNHQ admin down early last week.

It took a lot of digging into the logs to find further activity and it's only become apparent yesterday and today that he's accessed these 11 accounts - there may be more and we are still digging. I really don't think we've been negligent in not forcing a password change earlier and as said at length, if what we're dealing with is a phishing attack or the like then your vigilance is still required.

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youarekiddingme · 18/08/2015 17:35

Good point Flap

I tend to avoid those anyway! But worth a reminder.

middlings · 18/08/2015 17:38

By the way, I've received a confirmation to my email address of my password change.

So, Brew, Wine and whatever else is needed to MNHQ. Justine, your children must have been terrified :(. Hope there's not much family fall out from that experience.

FarFromAnyRoad · 18/08/2015 17:38

And this is why the sudden influx of quite unfunny male posters lately is being viewed with suspicion

This is a very true thing. There is one in particular that I feel very Hmm about - something about the syntax and turn of phrase. I won't name him but I'm sure we all know which one I mean. Of course, HQ can't go blitzing every new male poster just on the offchance - that would be absurd - and anyway - anyone bent on trouble would surely have the wit to register and pose as a female wouldn't they?

What's that old curse? 'May you live in interesting times' Grin

YeOldeTrout · 18/08/2015 17:39

All online companies are under constant assault from hackers, the bigger the more high profile so the more attacks. DH works in the industry & they're always trying to stay one step ahead of online vandals, tiny sites to huge ones, they all have the same ongoing problem. Ruddy tiresome.

LuluJakey1 · 18/08/2015 17:39

I have changed my password and logged in but now noticed the address in just mumsnet.com. What do you suggest I do now?

JustineMumsnet · 18/08/2015 17:41

@middlings

By the way, I've received a confirmation to my email address of my password change.

So, Brew, Wine and whatever else is needed to MNHQ. Justine, your children must have been terrified :(. Hope there's not much family fall out from that experience.

That's kind of you to think of us middlings and everyone who's sympathised but actually we were away and blissfully unaware. It was our poor au pair who was scared half to death.

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