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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ!

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JustineMumsnet · 18/08/2015 15:37

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
StrattersDairyProductPervert · 19/08/2015 03:51

It's not just that, those posters are the ones we know about. What if they've not all been published? Because that's what I'd do, I'd release a percentage, let them panic, and go for the ones who think they're safe.

And what about those posters who don't know about this. Can they still be affected, if they've used their password on other sites?

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 19/08/2015 03:54

Exactly,Stratters. Time for everyone to do some general internet housekeeping.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 03:55

Well I assume so, Stratters.

Koalafications · 19/08/2015 03:57

I'm genuinely shocked by all of this.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 03:57

...Time for everyone to do some general internet housekeeping...

Yes indeed. I seem to recall mention of 3 data sets in all ?

PerspicaciaTick · 19/08/2015 03:58

It doesn't really depend how far it has gone Very. It depends on how many people want to delete their posting history. It might 3000 or less, but there seem to be a lot of people who weren't on the list who are still very concerned (which is absolutely understandable). If only 1% of MN users want their history deleted that could be in the region of 40000 people. And some users will have multiple usernames on their account - all of which would potentially need the history removing.

I can understand why people want this to happen. But it isn't necessarily simple and MNHQ will want to consider the possibility of unintended consequences.

Koalafications · 19/08/2015 03:58

Can anyone check if I am on their list? I can't do a search as I'm on an iPhone.

BoffinMum · 19/08/2015 03:59

Stratters, IP addresses identify the street you posted from when you signed up for the account. If you have the right tools and insight you can sometimes get closer, to the location of the nearest Internet switch box, but that's well nerdy and a cracker like this wouldn't bother. They are just up to mischief.

PerspicaciaTick · 19/08/2015 04:00

I can't see any Koalas on the list.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 19/08/2015 04:00

Well that's the bonus of the forced password reset, Stratters - if all those passwords listed were harvested before that happened, then none of them will be of any use to the hacker or anyone else for this site now.

I also think it would probably take a lot of time to go through each poster's individual PMs, having logged on as them first, in the hope of finding personal details - and I wouldn't think one person has had the time to do that.

If anyone has used their password for this site anywhere else, then now is the time to change it. Lock down your own internet security.

enviousllama · 19/08/2015 04:00

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BoffinMum · 19/08/2015 04:02

Am I on there? Again, timeframe will be indicated.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 04:02

Not as far as I can see, Koala. (And the site seems to be changing as well so that list may not last too long - in its current shape at any rate.)

AnnieOnAMapleLeaf · 19/08/2015 04:02

I'm on the list. Just spent a stupid amount of time changing all my passwords everywhere. Ugh.

Koalafications · 19/08/2015 04:02

Thanks PerspicaciaTick & enviousllama Smile

PerspicaciaTick · 19/08/2015 04:02

No Boffin - I can't see you on there.

StrattersDairyProductPervert · 19/08/2015 04:03

Thanks Boffin, that's what was worrying me most.

Best get some sleep, night all.

Koalafications · 19/08/2015 04:03

Thanks cozie Smile

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 04:03

Not on that one, Boffin.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 04:04

Night all.

BoffinMum · 19/08/2015 04:05

Stratters, unless you have Mossad looking for you it's not a big issue, frankly. Night night x

Koalafications · 19/08/2015 04:05

I did see quite a few forenames used as passwords on the list when I tried to scan through to find my name. Could be children's names, names of their DH.

Might be worth people using something less 'guessable' and also less identifying when stuff like this happens.

BoffinMum · 19/08/2015 04:10

I would offer to crack them back except I actually have a life and it's illegal anyway.

Such a pointless crack when you could go after something more worthwhile than people talking about their pelvic floors and how to chair difficult meetings whilst anticipating Ocado drivers with bizarre names. Should they not be revising for their GCSE resits or something?!

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 19/08/2015 04:24

IP addresses can be useful triangulation data when used with other info to confirm location. And if you really care that someone is using Virgin rather than BT for their t'internet

ChaircatMiaow · 19/08/2015 04:25

Would someone mind checking for my name please?