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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ!

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JustineMumsnet · 18/08/2015 15:37

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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enviousllama · 19/08/2015 03:17

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MardyBra · 19/08/2015 03:20

Thanks. I've looked at the list but don't think I'm on it.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 19/08/2015 03:23

Thanks Perspicacia, I'll give that a go. :)

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 03:24

You're not, Mardy.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 03:27

And I haven't logged in for close on a month which gives you some idea of their timeframe.

MardyBra · 19/08/2015 03:28

Thanks Cozie.

StrattersDairyProductPervert · 19/08/2015 03:29

The IP addresses that match up with the user name and password have been posted.

Can IP addresses be used for anything?

textfan · 19/08/2015 03:30

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enviousllama · 19/08/2015 03:30

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StrattersDairyProductPervert · 19/08/2015 03:31

And shit, what about PMs? I know I've given my name and address out in a few.And email/phone number.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 03:33

I don't know, llama - just that if it happened the way people are saying - which I have my doubts about - it must surely have happened outside the last two weeks as some have surmised.

MardyBra · 19/08/2015 03:35

I've just been deleting five years worth of PMs. Each individually selected.

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 19/08/2015 03:36

textfan you are best off reporting your post and also emailing MNHQ on [email protected] - I doubt they are paying this thread too much attention right now

PerspicaciaTick · 19/08/2015 03:36

Stratters - I've just looked on the list and it doesn't look like you are on it. Although whether any the people who have received your PMs have been compromised, I don't know.

StrattersDairyProductPervert · 19/08/2015 03:37

Honestly, just how pathetic can you get.

Prelude · 19/08/2015 03:38

textfan I really like reading your posts. I'm so sorry to hear you're in an awful situation. I wish I could say something to make you feel better. You'll be missed Thanks

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 03:38

This could have happened on so many internet sites out there - and in fact, probably has but we've just never heard about it because they deliberately keep it quiet. Change your passwords and keep a weather eye on emails and accounts which have financial aspects. That's about all we can do, really. (Apart from MN considering deletion of posting history which they'll doubtless comment on tomorrow.)

Bogeyface · 19/08/2015 03:38

text no one is patronising you but the simple fact is that every time you log on, you are furthering the perceived risk.

They cannot get your details now. Stop logging in and posting and there will be nothing for them to harvest.

The chances of the man you are hiding from getting your details in a way that he could use to hurt you are very slim, in fact they are next to impossible. As I said, I do understand the fear, but you need to calm down and think about it.....
They dont have access to your emails and they dont have access to your address. You are safe.

I have recently had my email hacked, they spammed all of my contacts. Took 2 days to reset my password (thank you hotmail) but it was chance that they got me, not spite.

Veryhackedoff · 19/08/2015 03:40

Not much good MardyBra if they'd already accessed those details (not saying they have, just that this is all, including Mumsnets response, very shut-the-door-after-the-horse-has-bolted).

StrattersDairyProductPervert · 19/08/2015 03:41

Thanks Perspicacia I couldn't see me either, but I did spot a few I'd exchanged PMs with, including one who I know I PM'd my address/email/phone number as we were both going to an event. I've messaged her on FB

PerspicaciaTick · 19/08/2015 03:41

Any large volume of posts being deleted would change nature the entire forum - it would essentially be starting again from Day Zero, no shared history, no classics, no quiche threads. They would just become too full of holes to be readable. I doubt MNHQ are going to rush into that without careful consideration of all their options.

enviousllama · 19/08/2015 03:42

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PerspicaciaTick · 19/08/2015 03:43

Stratters - sounds like you've done all you can. Hopefully more answers from MNHQ tomorrow.

Veryhackedoff · 19/08/2015 03:46

Not necessarily Perspicacia, it depends really how far this has gone. Is it just that list of posters and their passwords that has been gathered? In which case probably not much to worry about. However, were those accounts accessed and possibly identifiable details taken? In which case, I can understand why posters would like to delete posting history.

Mumsnet should answer, but when is the question?

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 19/08/2015 03:49

I think even if you aren't on the list at the moment it's worth taking some time to tidy up PMs and change passwords on other accounts too as a sensible precaution against a further release of data