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Making Adoption board "opt in"

111 replies

JamHoneyMarmite · 23/07/2015 15:50

I know we've asked eleventy billion times before, but please? Please could we make the adoption board an "opt in" like the SN area? I would love it to be welcoming for adopters, prospective adopters, adoptees, birth families, and all open-minded curious folk - but I would also love it not to get bombarded by "I haven't adopted but you're doing it wrong" posts just because it shows up in Active convos.

So, I don't ask this with much hope after the other times people have asked, but pleeeeeease?

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Kewcumber · 24/07/2015 11:32

to make it seem way that way

slkk · 24/07/2015 11:39

I was wondering about categories. The adult adopters thread is great,, but it is one jumbled thread and not an opportunity to start a thread about specific issues (though they could in the general adoption section I guess).

JamHoneyMarmite · 24/07/2015 11:42

Lots of food for thought. I had been thinking about whether "Prospective Adopters" could stay within the "Becoming a Parent" section, and then "Adoptive Families" taking families in the broadest sense, could be within "Parenting". Both topics to be opt-in, as I think that has mainly been deemed to be A Good Idea on this thread so far...

I expect that stirs up even more questions

I'll get another round of Brew for everyone, shall I?

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Kewcumber · 24/07/2015 11:45

It's always irritated me that adoption was in becoming a parent but it might dilute things a bit spreading them around the board.

slkk you're supposed to start your post I agree with kew

JammySods · 24/07/2015 12:00

I agree with Kew ( Wink ) - it's always irritated me that adoption is within 'Becoming a Parent' as well.

My concern with splitting adoption into different sections would be that there aren't that many posters who regularly use adoption and the less populated sections could easily die off. Plus, I think everyone is often helped by having the perspectives of all sections of the adoption triangle contribute to some threads - I know I'd certainly feel reluctant to post in the adoptees or birth family section because I am in neither group.

Having said all that though, I can see the benefits of different sections... So I'm going to sit on the fence.

But whether there's sections or not, it needs to be opt in.

TheseSoles · 24/07/2015 12:06

I'm also an adoption lurker (we would like to adopt or foster in the distant future) and I just wanted to pitch in that I totally understand why adopters would like the opt-in idea!

I've seen so many derailed threads and it just seems so inappropriate when people are looking for support.

I have 3 children with various medical issues (2 have hearing loss) and the burden of having to educate strangers about your child in the face of judgemental comments is frequently the worst thing about about it. Sympathetic space with parents who understand and have experience is so important.

That seems totally true of adopters too.

irishe · 24/07/2015 12:22

I like the sub categories suggestion. I wouldn't want adoption spread out between different topics. I am an adoptee and also an adoptive parent, somewhat stating the obvious but they are very different experiences! It would be useful I think to have somewhere within the board to explore a wider spectrum of adoption experience. I know that in theory this can be (and has been) done on the current board, but think it might be easier within sub categories. Less possibility of offending or upsetting others who might be in a totally different place/stage of life. There is nothing to stop people reading and posting and learning/lurking on whatever bit they choose of course.

The emotions aroused by some of the inter linked adoption experience can be very raw. recently I can remember terribly sad threads started by a birth mother who was full of anger and grief about the removal of a child, and a thread by a prospective adopter who I think had been doing foster to adopt and had the child returned to the birth family. There are of course strong parallels in the experiences, loss, grief anger, and thus could be argued should be in the same place. but they are at different places on the spectrum of adoption experience both looking for support at their time of need. Would it be easier for posters looking for support to be able to click on the most appropriate adoption sub category?

willowwaters · 24/07/2015 13:27

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StaceyAndTracey · 24/07/2015 14:42

Willow, I think it was a joke

StaceyAndTracey · 24/07/2015 15:06

It used to be that FWR for most of the trolls and goady fuckers, but adoption seems to be getting them now . They have the same style

" here I am with a man's perspective . Now you stupid women sit down and listen because I'm an going to tell you what's wrong with feminism and how you lot should be doing it . It's about X Y and Z to do with men . If you did it my way then more men would engage with You Feminsists"

On adoption we get

" Here I am with the perspective of someone who has given birth. Now you neurotic adopters listen because I will tell you everything that is wrong with adoption in the world and why you lot should fix it . It's all about adoption in the UK in the 1950s / what I read in the daily fail / what I saw on Jeremy Kyle . If you did it my way them more people like me would engage with you "

So we patiently explain

  1. While your views are interesting , they don't automatically override out own just because you have squeezed a baby out of your vagina.
  1. Some of us have done that too but we don't think it qualifies us for anything .
  1. We are all just individuals , we don't officially represent adoption in the universe .
  1. We know there is a lot wrong with adoption in the UK, we are struggling with things every day of our lives that were caused by The System
  1. There are lots of kids waiting for families , if you are such an expert , why don't you join in ( there's always a reason why THEY can't do it at all but we should do it better )
  1. We don't actually want to get more rude people like you debating with us. We want a place for support with issues that affect us and / or our kids. If we end up educating random polite , interested strangers along the way then that's fine too.
  1. Yes it's interesting to hear about the needs of [ other group ]. Why don't YOU go and work to support them rather than tell us to do so ?
  1. Just because we don't agree with you, we are not dismissing you or being rude or pushing you off the boards . I know that you are used to having people defer to your opinion all the time because you are a [ member of privileged group ] but this is OUR space .

9 . Please accept that it's NOT ABOUT YOU. I know that's hard to accept if you have spent you life as [ part of privileged group ] but really ITS NOT . This is a safe place for us to talk about things that affect us. You have the rest of Mumsnet / the Internet .

willowwaters · 24/07/2015 15:11

Apologies Stacey; sense of humour fail! I have also messaged Kew to apologise.

StaceyAndTracey · 24/07/2015 15:17

I think we are all a bit wound up after all the trolling

Not that you would guess it from my rant Blush

gabsdot45 · 24/07/2015 15:31

I feel that I should contribute to the debate as an adoptive parent.
from what I see the adoption board here on mumsnet is heavily populated by adoptive parents who have adopted domestically from the care system in the UK.
We did foreign adoptions and don't live in the UK so our experience has been a bit different but I still find it interesting to read the forum.
I feel that the forum does not have as much to offer adopted people.
However the adoption forum has a small population and so it would be counter productive to split the topic up into lots of different sub groups.
I agree with making it opt in. But for anyone with a vested interest, adoptive parents, children, birth parents, family of adopted people or birth parents, professionals etc

Kewcumber · 24/07/2015 15:46

Thank you willow there plenty of sense of humour failure going around just now so there's no need to apologise at all.

I didn't adopt domestically gabs and many of the adoption threads are very appropriate for me - I think probably nit living in the UK is a bigger difference than where you adopted from. Certainly DS's issues fit neatly into the same boxes as many other adopted children who came through the domestic system.

I don't think there' any suggestion that anyone shouldn't be able to opt in even those who just have an interest in adoption.

Kewcumber · 24/07/2015 15:49

And no, I don't seriously think that everyone should agree with me despite getting precious little of it at home

Kewcumber · 24/07/2015 16:08

I feel that the forum does not have as much to offer adopted people. thats probably true.

When I joined MN the adoption board didn't exist, it started soon after. It has grown organically driven mostly by adopters and prospective adopters who needed support or information or who had support or information to give.

We have adopters who were also themselves adopted but aside from that, and trying to be respectful of those sharing the adoption space, the only way to have something more to offer adoptees and birth parents is for some of them decide to post more regularly about issues they face. I see this happening at the moment and maybe an "adopted adults" section it would continue this momentum.

WereJamming · 24/07/2015 18:24

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slkk · 24/07/2015 18:27

Oh werejamming, I just ordered one!

wannaBe · 24/07/2015 19:08

I am not an adopter but I first started following adoption type threads when Kew adopted her ds and I followed her blog etc. I am also now in a relationship with someone who grew up in long term foster care ssince the age of seven and who is VI as a result of the experiences which brought him there. It's interesting that I have learned about things such as attachment disorder etc from adoptions way before I knew that I might be able to identify with them iyswim (not that I sought to but that I knew about them - hope that makes some sense).

I think tbh that the fact that any sub-section of the community feels that they need a section which is essentially for them and needs to be opt-in says a lot about the ethos of mn as a whole and should be a wake-up call for mn hq to look at the ethos which their site represents.

Mn sells itself as a place of support by parents for parents (or is that the other way around?) however when the top board is the ibu one, where people are essentially encouraged to voice their incredibly robust and more often than not offensive opinions while laying into someone who to them is just a username behind a keyboard it stands to reason that those posting styles will filter across to the rest of the boards because a lot of people simply don't look where they're posting.

And because the adoptions board is a relatively low traffic board compared to the likes of aibu, even one offensive poster is going to be noticed if they come on to a particularly sensitive thread.

Mn needs to start thinking about whether it really wants to continue to have the reputation for having the rudest posters on any parenting forum online. Many people come here because they claim they like that it's straight talking, however we have IMO crossed from straight talking into the realms of generally offensive, non empathetic and unmoving.

Yes there are supportive parts on mn, however we shouldn't be at a point where posters have to opt into the supportive parts in order to feel that they do actually have support and don't need to justify their position in life.

In my opinion the aibu board should be opt-in, like the sex topic. But it also needs to be toned down.

I do absolutely see why adopters want an opt-in, but IMO we need to start making the more offensive topics less accessible in order to reiterate what mn was started for in the first place - support.

GrimbleGrumble · 24/07/2015 19:48

Yes please to opt-in
Being part of an adopted family (whichever way round) seems to give other people in real life licence to ask all sorts of personal questions, provide unasked for opinions and generally treat you like a freakshow and it would be nice to not to have to deal with that in a support forum (and I don't mean people asking questions because they are interested in learning about adoption etc - just the nosy parker stuff)

dibly · 24/07/2015 20:11

Definitely opt in please. We get our concerns dismissed by more than enough professionals, birth parents and others in RL to need more of the same in a space I come to for support. We might be othered, but in a sense we are from the moment we sign up to adopt. And our children may not have special needs in a medical sense, but emotionally, yes they do.

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 24/07/2015 21:33

I'd like it so that threads don't show up in Active Conversations please

I think the last time we had a chin scratch about the threads I suggested splitting up the topic into something covering the process of adoption (in Becoming a Parent) and wider issues in a different section, but it was overall felt that it was better to keep everything in a single place.

Personally I try to ignore the posters who wander onto a thread with (I hope) good intentions to talk about sleep settling or poor behaviour at school and post advice that is really unhelpful in the specific context of the poster's issue. But sometimes someone does have to point out the problem with what they have said, because there are far more lurkers, I think, than posters, and I would hate for them to take the duff advice on board which could actually exacerbate problems. I agree that things get a bit heated sometimes - apologies if I have inadvertently offended anyone with my defensiveness

StaceyAndTracey · 24/07/2015 22:30

Great post wannaBe

Italiangreyhound · 25/07/2015 03:10

Yes, please.

HappySunflower · 25/07/2015 13:39

Another yes from me.
I rarely post here nowadays, would certainly post more to an opt in board.

Has somebody alerted MNHQ to this thread?