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What's your experience when it comes to getting GP appointments? And other questions...

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RowanMumsnet · 16/09/2014 17:38

Hello

MNHQ have been asked to contribute to panel events at upcoming political party conferences on the topic of the 'access crisis facing general practice' - so, as ever, we've come looking for your views.

Overall, what's your experience of getting GP appointments, whether for yourself or for members of your family? Do you find it easy to book same-day appointments for things that need urgent attention, and/or to book further in advance? Do the mechanics of the booking system drive you up the wall (frantically hitting 'call back' multiple times the moment that appointments are released) or does your local surgery make it fairly pain-free? Have there been times when you've been unable to get an appointment at all?

What do you think politicians should do (if anything) to improve access to GPs, and support GPs in doing their jobs within communities?

Any examples you can give us of things that work well, or ways that things could be improved, would be great.

We should stress this isn't going to be a GP-bashing exercise; the events are being run by the Royal College of General Practitioners, which recently launched a campaign to 'highlight the pressures facing general practice'.

Over to you.

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LadyWithLapdog · 17/09/2014 09:58

Just to add to my post that my surgery also does online appointments AND prescriptions and as a fairly technical and competent pesto I should get round to doing this. (And it'd probably take less time than I've just spent on MN.)

WipsGlitter · 17/09/2014 10:15

Generally they will see a sick child the same day. There are two blocks of time each day when you can speak to a doctor on the phone but it is totally impossible to get through during these times.

"Regular" appointments for adults about two weeks, more if you want to see a particular doctor. Online appointments are available but you have to register to use this service.

You can re-order a prescription via answerphone.

Different number for blood test results, must call between 12.30 and 1 to get these.

What pisses me off most is that they shut the phone lines totally over lunchtime, so between 12.30 and 2 you can't call them at all. How they can't stagger the office staff's lunchbreak so the phone is always available is beyond me.

myroomisatip · 17/09/2014 11:16

I have no complaints about my GP surgery whatsoever.

Opens at 8.30 and although I might have to wait a while for my call to be answered I can always get a same day appointment. It is also possible to book an appointment further ahead.

Appointments are for ten minutes, which is often enough but in the past I, most embarrassingly, ended up sobbing for an hour but my Dr. was really supportive.

Recently, when I have attended the surgery there have only been about 3 people in the waiting room and I had not had to wait more than ten minutes for my appointment.

The receptionists are very professional and I have never had to explain why I need an appointment.

And lastly, the surgery itself is modern, clean and the practice offers blood tests and counselling.

So I vote 10/10 :)

deakymom · 17/09/2014 11:28

its pretty hit and miss at the moment i can either get one immediately or not at all the nurse is usually available for a phone consultation which helps

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 17/09/2014 11:40

My (Midlothian) surgery also sticks the answerphone on during lunchtimes - drives me crazy. In addition, I went down last week to collect a prescription and the surgery was closed for Wed afternoon for staff training. There was a handwritten sign on the door saying so.

Emergency appointments are good. You phone (at 8.30 and hit redial for half an hour before finally getting through) but you/your child will be seen that day. I have been told that you can't have an emergency for the next day - it was a day when I had no car so couldn't get to the surgery and wanted an appt for the next morning. They told me to phone back the next morning. They've now introduced a triage system where the duty doctor calls you back, triages you over the phone and then either writes a prescription or tells you to come in at a specific time (same day). If you miss the call then you have to ring back, tell the receptionist and be re-entered into the phone call queue.

Routine appointments are terrible. You have to phone at 8.30 on two specific days of the week (think it's Wed and Thurs) when they 'release' appointments. You cannot make an appointment at any other time of day, even if you are in the surgery standing in front of them. When the office manager went on holiday recently no appointments were released until he came back! It's usually 2 weeks wait to see the duty doctor. I have requested my specific GP and been told that I have no specific GP because they don't do that (so how come she's named on my maternity records, then?), and if I want to see her anyway then it'll be 5 weeks, unless she happens to be the duty doctor. I complained about that and got a pretty crap non-reply from the practice manager showing no interest in making any changes.

You can, however, request a non-emergency phone call from the duty doctor. This will be at a specific given time eg next Tues at 11am. DH used that to be re-referred to the Eye Pavilion because despite having a rare eye condition and having been treated there in the past, because it was more than 3 years ago he had to get the GP to refer him again. GP had to Google said eye condition during the phone call. (Sorry, I know that's off-topic!)

Clinics: the midwives and HVs run their own clinics but the reception staff don't know anything about them, which is not helpful. The 6 week new baby check is organised as a clinic, eg all done on a Thurs morning, and if you want to be checked yourself post-birth than you have to make a separate appt, and therefore come back yet again, invariably with newborn baby. It's not set up from the patient's point of view at all, nor probably from the GP's - why not join those up and save a journey? Oh, and maternity notes aren't linked to standard medical notes - I have booked a flu jab when pg, arrived at surgery and the first thing the nurse asked me was why I needed a flu jab! I said 'because I'm pg' and took coat off to reveal 7 months pg bump, and the nurse apologised and said it wasn't in my notes. Why not?

Like most people have said, when you do see someone they are lovely (GP/nurse/midwife/HV) and take time and you never feel rushed.

Suggestions for improvement: look into Systems Thinking. Prof John Seddon is the UK leader in this and he specialises in sorting out bureaucratic messes like this in the public sector. I've worked with his company (Vanguard) and the methods he advocates really work. The surgery staff would be asked to analyse calls coming in and gather data on eg failure demand (where you have to call back multiple times to get the service you need), length of time for customer to get different types of appt, most popular requests (eg I want a GP appt/I want to see a specific GP etc) and whether they were fulfilled or not. Then the staff themselves suggest solutions. There's a lot more but this is already an epic post! But this could be trialled in one area and then rolled out if successful.

LadyWithLapdog · 17/09/2014 11:41

I think it's fair the surgery lines should be completely shut at lunchtime. They don't run a shift pattern so you can't have someone finishing lunch by 12.30 or starting after 2pm. Also if there was one person available they'd be fielding calls for everyone else and forever passing on messages etc. I don't know how safe that would be. It still wouldn't guarantee you'd have your call answered immediately or your problem solved.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 17/09/2014 11:47

Lady, what if you work somewhere where you can only make phone calls in your lunch hour? It's not about speaking to a doctor in that phone call, it's about making an appt. I think the reception staff are all trained in that and therefore could stagger their lunchbreaks. To suggest that that isn't practical is ludicrous.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 17/09/2014 11:49

Person A goes for lunch between 12 and 1. Person B goes for lunch between 1 and 2. How do you think most customer-facing places do it?

AnnieLobeseder · 17/09/2014 11:57

Our surgery used to have a sensible system where you could get an appointment for about week ahead for non-urgent, and if you phoned on the day for something urgent they could pretty much always get you an appointment with someone, if not your own GP, at one of the two practices (about 10 mins drive apart).

Now they have some stupid new system where appointments are released in a weird random pattern, so if I want an appointment next Friday they can't tell me if there are spaces until Wednesday morning etc. I've been trying to book DD an appointment for something non-urgent but you have to phone at 8am exactly to get a same-day appointment, which is a very inconvenient time when you're in the middle of morning child-wrangling. You keep phoning, keep getting the engaged signal and then by 8:05 the appointments are all gone. And they refuse to let you book anything further in advance! The only time you can make an appointment is 8am. Absolutely useless and insane.

LadyWithLapdog · 17/09/2014 12:02

Most places I go to at lunchtime run a lower staff service. That applies to the post office, supermarket, chemist, everywhere. It's an inconvenience.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 17/09/2014 12:04

Yes, and I accept that. That is different to closing entirely between 12.30 and 2, which I don't see the need for.

LadyWithLapdog · 17/09/2014 12:15

Cheddar, you're assuming people would call for booking only, as you intend to. They probably would call for blood results, to speak to the secretaries, the practice manager etc, for all the other reasons they usually ring the surgery. I think it's a good idea to get some 'quiet' time and finish morning's tasks and get ready for the afternoon. I can also only use services at lunchtime. I never have 20 minutes spare during the day to make a phone call, so I understand the frustration (I work part-time, hence posting today).

EBearhug · 17/09/2014 13:03

I think a lot of surgeries use lunchtime to catch up with late-running schedules.

LadyWithLapdog · 17/09/2014 13:11

Also for home visits (GPs still do them), 'extras', running to the hospital's mortuary for a death certificate, checking lab results, dictating referrals. There's never a quiet moment.

Bakersbum · 17/09/2014 13:25

My GP's surgery is great, ring them in the morning and 9 times out of 10 you will get an appointment for that day or at the latest the next morning. If you ring to book an appt in advance you can pretty much just name your day and time.

Doctors are also happy to do phone appointments or queries. Repeat prescriptions are done by email and taken through to the chemist, so all you have to do is pick it up ready from the chemist 24 hours later.

A couple of times I have rung with a very poorly/distressed DS and they said both times to bring him down immediately and they would fit him in. DP got told by NHS direct to see a GP within 2 hours of the call, again they told us to go straight there.

As its so easy to get appointments there, I didn't change practice when i moved house (health visitor told me not to, as local ones are really hard to get appointments for), its a bit of a pain as its about 15/20 minutes away, but worth the journey I feel. I wrote to them asking for me and my family to be kept on, with the understanding there would be no home visits. Thankfully they agreed.

I've been going there since I was a child, its gone from a one doctor practice to a four doctor practice, but still kept the small, friendly feel.

However, trying to get an appointment with the one nurse is near impossible.

RowanMumsnet · 17/09/2014 15:08

Thanks so much for all your responses - we'll have a read through and respond to any questions, but this is really useful.

As a follow-up: what ONE THING should the government do to improve the situation and make it easier for GPs to provide services to their patients?

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Smilesandpiles · 17/09/2014 15:12

Stop driving them out of the country?

University fees, workload, undermined by everyone higher up, longer hours...none of this helps.

LadyWithLapdog · 17/09/2014 15:34

More GPs and stop interfering. Stop with all the nuspeak. Don't give people unrealistic expectations. It's not an emergency 24 hour system. Let them do the job they're trained to do.

somewheresomehow · 17/09/2014 16:15

Our GP has a drop in clinic with 2 docs 9 am till 10-30 am mon-fri a couple of afternoons and five evenings for appointments, however for the appointments there can be a wait of around 5 -7 days. A nurse is around most of the day (I think) and someone comes from the hosp to take blood samples twice a week which are back the next day. They also will ring back if you need advice and repeat prescriptions are 48 hr from asking to collecting.
Having a doctor available at your own clinic rather than having to go to out of hours service on a weekend might be helpful to some

honeysucklejasmine · 17/09/2014 16:34

The last two times i have needed an appointment i was offered one for within a few hours, i.e. Later that day.
When i needed appointments outside of school hours i would get an appointment the next week definitely.
The practice is much improved in regards to appointments and i know how lucky i am!

poshme · 17/09/2014 16:41

My gps are pretty good- you can usually get an appointment that day if necessary. I recently had a friend having a crisis and they squeezed in an appoint at 1hr notice because I made it very clear that she needed it.
Though I wish they would differentiate between 'emergency' which to me means A&E and 'need to be seen today'. They always ask if its an emergency, and you have to answer yes, otherwise it's a 2 week wait.

SofiaAmes · 17/09/2014 17:14

Let people choose their gp instead of forcing them to use the one local to their home. And pay the gp's enough to make it worth going to medical school and becoming a gp.

halfdrunkcoffee · 17/09/2014 18:15

My local surgery is very good. It has a walk in clinic every weekday, and so long as you get there before 10 you will be seen that morning although you may wait up to an hour. You can also make an appointment and they have some in the evenings and early mornings.

It's a big contrast to where I grew up where you had to wait two weeks for an appointment!

OodneedsanOod · 17/09/2014 18:37

My surgery does appts on the day, I've had within the hour when babies have been ill, easy to book whenever you want , they have online booking/prescription orders but only for adults so far. Nurses/hcas running clinics and bloods etc easy to book in.
Reception staff friendly.
GPS all excellent, listen, read your notes, my regular one Blush knows about me specifically and ds problems and how they cross over.
Only issue I have is they like to go home occasionally WinkGrin

Makes up for the rather crap hospital/trust we have locally.

HiccupHaddockHorrendous · 17/09/2014 19:07

My surgery operate a turn-up-and-wait emergency appointment system. This usually involves a minimum 2 hour wait unless you queue up outside from 7.45am (doors open 8.30, first patient seen at 9). The last time I did this, I arrived near the end of the time slot (10.30) and finally saw the gp at 1pm!!

Unfortunately for me, if I need to take time off work to use the emergency surgery, it requires me booking the whole day off and no pay.

I had an eye infection this week and went straight to my local pharmacist rather than the gp...all fixed now but meant I had to pay for the treatment instead of queuing for 2 hours for a free prescription. However, it was considerably better than losing a day's earnings!

To book a non-emergency appointment, there is usually a minimum 2 week wait.

I don't understand how some surgeries get it so right. Is it because they have less people on their books?

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