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Clarification please

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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 16:25

So I come back to find that you have deleted my thread asking why my Santa thread was deleted.

Of course it was a thread about a thread, it was asking a question about the thread.

Wtf else is one supposed to do?

I put it in site stuff.

It was also a really nice friendly thread full of poetry and laughs. Why why why why was it deleted? What the hell is going on there?

Secondly, if one wants to talk about something, and that something has been deleted purely owing to others mischief, does that mean that one is never to talk about that subject again??

How mad is that?

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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 23:13

I'm going t bed now

with a heavy heart and loaded down with false accusations

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RowanMumsnet · 05/12/2013 23:13

@Hullygully

But those of us who have been here YEARS aren't mad, we know a change when we experience it.

But lots of us at MNHQ have been here years too - and we don't recognise the picture some of you are painting.

That's not to say individual decisions aren't wrong sometimes.

But the idea that some call has gone out at our end to delete things on sight is just not correct.

youretoastmildred · 05/12/2013 23:13

"Actually, when we analysed the stats we found that the deleted post:post ratio had gone down over the last few years."

this doesn't tell you anything though.

In fact what some people are saying is "people used to be wild! It was wild west!" - so in fact you are agreeing by saying that more posts were deleted. There was a different atmosphere and people were saying more deletable things. And those that didn't get deleted were arguably of a stronger tone than things that stand out now in a more anodyune environment. And even the things that got deleted were there for x time, seen, till they were deleted.

I don't know if this is how it was, or not. I am just pointing out that the statistical argument is meaningless because it doesn't guarantee a consistent standard.

I do think it is HILARIOUS that a thread got deleted for suggesting that FC isn't real. Some of my friends are like, "seriously? MN?" and I'm like "oh no, it's not what you think" but now I won't be able to say that because it is the site that deleted a thread that suggested FC isn't real

reelingaroundthechristmastree · 05/12/2013 23:14

Haven't seen any names Briar, have you read the rather lovely Christmas meet up thread at all?
It makes reference to a very beautiful, very young, MNHQer.

It was a compliment.

SinterklaasSterm · 05/12/2013 23:14

"For what it's worth, however cross you are with our decisions, we think it's utterly out of order to cast pretty nasty aspersions on the professional competence of named members of MNHQ who gave up their Friday evening to attend a Mumsnet meet-up. We don't generally delete attacks on members of MNHQs, but some of the stuff that's been said here is incredibly unpleasant."

It was me that posted that I didn't think it wise to have moderators on MN who were so young and inexperienced. How can they possibly moderate in a sensible way on many of the sensitive and heated threads that require it?

And as others have said. It was a Saturday night.

And some of them didn't look that happy to be there. Fair enough. But remember, if none of us posted they would have no job.. I think MN has done plenty well out of selling our quotes in their books, hawking us to the DM, selling the poor penis beaker poster to the highest bidder.

usualsuspect · 05/12/2013 23:14

I tried to lark about on the first thread to lighten it.

I even handed out Santa hats.

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RowanMumsnet · 05/12/2013 23:15

@Hullygully

I do think by the way, that it's a bit odd to pretend that different mods don't operate in different ways, some more trigger happy than others. You're not clones. Justine acknowldeged as much on the recent discussion thread.

No, of course we're not clones and of course we all have slightly different thresholds. And none of us is perfect.

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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 23:15

yes mildred

so very true

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DeckTheHallsWithBoughsOfHorry · 05/12/2013 23:15

Presumably some threads get deleted because of where they're inevitably headed, rather than where they are right in that instant. As I said before, I wasn't remotely surprised by the first deletion - I can see that someone reading half a dozen reports from the same thread would look at it, see how fast it was moving, wince over the few really unnecessary comments/posts and think "fuck it, this isn't going to end well and we don't have the resources to say ahem every other post".

It's horrible for an OP who starts a thread in good faith that turns into something else and gets deleted, because she attracts some of the blame for the bunfight regardless of her real intentions.

BriarcliffBelle · 05/12/2013 23:16

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Monetbyhimself · 05/12/2013 23:16

I call bullshit. The first thread was not reasoned debate. It was a weird, goady thread and it's no wonder people got upset. You're a funny poster a lot of the time Hully and I enjoy reading a lot of what you write. But that thread was stupid, you were incredibly sneery and it made for an unpleasant read. IIRC someone asked you quite early on if you were 'okay' as the whole thread was very strange.

And to save anyone the trouble, been around for a few years, regular name changer due to arsey Ex.

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RowanMumsnet · 05/12/2013 23:17

@youretoastmildred

"Actually, when we analysed the stats we found that the deleted post:post ratio had gone down over the last few years."

this doesn't tell you anything though.

In fact what some people are saying is "people used to be wild! It was wild west!" - so in fact you are agreeing by saying that more posts were deleted. There was a different atmosphere and people were saying more deletable things. And those that didn't get deleted were arguably of a stronger tone than things that stand out now in a more anodyune environment. And even the things that got deleted were there for x time, seen, till they were deleted.

I don't know if this is how it was, or not. I am just pointing out that the statistical argument is meaningless because it doesn't guarantee a consistent standard.

I do think it is HILARIOUS that a thread got deleted for suggesting that FC isn't real. Some of my friends are like, "seriously? MN?" and I'm like "oh no, it's not what you think" but now I won't be able to say that because it is the site that deleted a thread that suggested FC isn't real

Yes stats can be used to argue most things. Just saying that we've no evidence, either in the stats, in our internal conversations or in the way we apply the rules as a team, to support the feeling that things are deleted more easily.

No thread was ever deleted for saying Father Christmas isn't real.

Maryz · 05/12/2013 23:17

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SconeForAStroll · 05/12/2013 23:17

Have some flashing snowmen earrings usual. :o

I didn't see the first thread (as I mentioned about 300 posts ago!) but I do remember the anti larking edict with great sadness.

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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 23:18

that is your opinion monet

just your opinion

I cba to try and change it

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RowanMumsnet · 05/12/2013 23:18

@DeckTheHallsWithBoughsOfHorry

Presumably some threads get deleted because of where they're inevitably headed, rather than where they are right in that instant. As I said before, I wasn't remotely surprised by the first deletion - I can see that someone reading half a dozen reports from the same thread would look at it, see how fast it was moving, wince over the few really unnecessary comments/posts and think "fuck it, this isn't going to end well and we don't have the resources to say ahem every other post".

It's horrible for an OP who starts a thread in good faith that turns into something else and gets deleted, because she attracts some of the blame for the bunfight regardless of her real intentions.

Just to be clear, if we delete a thread for being a bunfight we're not at all saying that we necessarily think the OP intended it to be a bunfight. Often the OP is long gone by the time the cakes are being thrown.

Fairenuff · 05/12/2013 23:19

If HQ are getting inundated with reports, then they need to employ and train moderators.

We have to report. HQ have been very clear that they want as many reports as possible. Don't question anything on a thread - report, report, report. It's all getting a bit boring really.

Often, offensive posts which have been reported hang around for ages and silliness gets deleted by a whole thread swoop. Lazy policing.

I'm still waiting for a response from weeks ago. Not bothered really but they ask me to report and when I do, they ignore it. Meh.

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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 23:19

Yes but Rowan how then is one supposed to be able to talk about the things one wants to talk about? You see?

Can we have a Robust Debate topic or summat?

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BriarcliffBelle · 05/12/2013 23:20

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Fairenuff · 05/12/2013 23:20

Just to be clear, if we delete a thread for being a bunfight we're not at all saying that we necessarily think the OP intended it to be a bunfight. Often the OP is long gone by the time the cakes are being thrown.

Then why can't they start a new thread to continue their discussion?

HoneyDragon · 05/12/2013 23:20

Rowan, your confusing me more.

As I understand

Thread one: you responded to reports of goadiness from op and reports of PA's you had a backlog so opted to delete on the basis that people were not in your opinion debating, but bickering?

Thread two: was deleted because you considered it inflammatory to ask why the first thread was deleted, and the fact that the second thread was focused more on the philosophical debate that the op was trying to discuss in the first thread, and the fact that people were conversing nicely in debate was irelavant because the thread referred to the deleted one?

Thread three: is becoming a ridiculous mess because EVERYONE is milling around going I didn't say that that you've misunderstood me. And getting humphy and defensive and has now got to the point where everyone will be in a huff? And no solution will be put forward as to where a perfectly reasonable conversation about Father Fucking Christmas and the morality of believing in him can go, where people can demonstrate they are capable of discussing the matter like adults?

Well I think all this has earned a big round of ohforfuckssake from all parties.

Maryz · 05/12/2013 23:20

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Hullygully · 05/12/2013 23:21

I care about two things:

  1. I have been falsely accused and maltreated
  1. I want to be able to talk about stuff, especially non-mainstream, views, without a bunch of personal attacking twits ruining it and getting it deleted

Is that too much to ask?

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Fairenuff · 05/12/2013 23:22

Can we have a Robust Debate topic or summat?

Can we have a 'thick skin' section, or something because lots of us don't actually get offended by being sworn at or upset by people who just want to be knobs.

Xmas Smile