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Anyone seen or heard from Aloha ???

84 replies

pupuce · 05/05/2006 20:55

Has she changed nickname ?

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Twiglett · 06/05/2006 16:01

hang on a second pupuce .. didn't pie go off to start another website and try to use contact details of mumsnetters to promote it? or was that someone else?

SenoraPostrophe · 06/05/2006 16:02

she did have another website twig, but didn't use the list of names she had. mn asked her to leave pre-emptively.

pupuce · 07/05/2006 09:17

That's correct. She did not steal any contact as everyone who did go on her website can confirm and did so at the time!
MN's e-mails to her were NOT friendly - I saw them as at the time I was her doula and was in regular contact with her.
Anyway it is water under the bridge but it left a bitter taste in several people's mouth Sad

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JustineMumsnet · 07/05/2006 23:17

Evening all,
We're a bit gutted by some of the posts on this thread, so think perhaps we should do some explaining. The last thing we want to do is rake over the mud but since certain things have been raised and some of you have expressed disappointment in the way we've acted, we thought we should explain ourselves - plus we would hate some of the misconceptions appearing here to pass into folklore.

With regard to Aloha, we are like many of you really sad she chose to leave Mumsnet and we do hope she'll be back one day. On a particularly contentious thread, we deleted two of her posts which broke our rules on abuse. We drew a distinction between clear personal attacks eg "Piss off you twat" and the more discursive "some of Aloha's posts in my opinion are racist". You may disagree with that distinction but it's probably one we'd draw again.

It hadn't crossed our minds that later readers might (wrongly) interpret that the posts we deleted were in fact, racist. This undoubtedly was an oversight and we apologise for that. It was actually entirely my fault as I was the one on duty at the time (if I said I'd just gone into labour would it count in my defence? Grin). But when this was later brought to our attention we did everything we could to dispell that misconception and deleted the thread immediately - am a bit bemused that it can still be accessed, we'll look into that asap.

Re the Pie thing, for those of you who are interested and weren't around at the time, this was a tricky one for us but we don't believe we acted unfairly. Pie was again a much-valued mumsnetter who was in charge of swaps on Mumsnet. A while after we found out Pie had set up her own site for mums, we (very politely as it happens - wrote it meself) asked Pie to stop running the swaps in which she had access to Mumsnetters addresses on Mumsnet. To be honest we had assumed she would stop herself once she started a website along the same lines as Mumsnet, as she could obviously run them on her own site - which indeed she does.

There was no question of banning her and all our correspondence was extremely civil - we copied most of our mails (save the last one which went along the lines of "sorry it got so heated, no hard feelings") into the threads regarding this by way of explanation to Mumsnetters at the time - do look them up if you're interested.

Having said all that we certainly do not claim to be infallible and we certainly make our share of mistakes. We are trying to be as fair as we can and in general we think the fairest thing we can do is have a few rules (as few as possible to keep Mumsnet going and civil) and adhere to them as closely as we can, so everyone knows where they are.

We do try our best to listen to you and to admit our mistakes and learn from them - \link{http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=1374&threadid=101762&stamp=050827154935\Milupagate} we hope, was a decent example of that.

Peace and love,
MNHQ

MrsSpoon · 07/05/2006 23:26

I miss Aloha too, although missed the whole thread where things kicked off. Have read a couple of her articles in mags recently and they made me smile. Hope she comes back some day. I don't think she is here under a different name as her style is pretty destinctive.

Heathcliffscathy · 07/05/2006 23:27

so aloha, you have to come back to give your take...surely...please (that emoticon on msn with the wibbly mouth)

HunKeRMunKeR · 07/05/2006 23:34

So if Aloha wants to come back (as Aloha), there's nothing stopping her, Justine?

[fingers crossed she does one day]

expatinscotland · 07/05/2006 23:37

I doubt it, Hunker. IMO, the other poster was just as bad and should also have had her posts deleted. I don't blame Aloha. She deserves an apology. Others have lost their cool as well, for example, I reported a VERY personal comment made by a name changer last night who called a member - by name - a 'twat' and a 'dick', something which gravely upset her, and those posts are still there last I checked.

Greensleeves · 07/05/2006 23:37

I doubt very much she would be here under a different name. It doesn't sound like the sort of thing she would do IMO.

expatinscotland · 07/05/2006 23:41

Yep, those posts are STILL there.

Double standards, double standards.

veNivIDiViCkiqV · 07/05/2006 23:41

I wish she'd come back too.

I echo Hunkers comments - she is okay to come back as Aloha, right?

JustineMumsnet · 07/05/2006 23:46

As said - never any question of Aloha being asked to leave or not allowed back - quite the opposite actually.

Expat - fraid we don't always get to every deletion request if they come in after hours or at the weekend - tis in someone's "to do" box for tomorrow though, so rest assured it will get looked at.

busybusybee · 07/05/2006 23:52

I think I have just been reading the other thread with the name calling - the whole thing is tbh fairly ridiculous imhe

Not only the name calling but one poster in particulular seems to be winding everyone up - imo deliberately

I find it all really odd tbh

Greensleeves · 07/05/2006 23:54

Do you mean me BBB?

busybusybee · 07/05/2006 23:59

Noooooooooooooooooo Greensleeves I didnt!

and I didnt mean to get anyone paronoid either

FWIW and in order to stop anyone else getting paranoid it was someone who as it happens gave me a good suggestion elsewhere on MN about pedometers!!!! TaiTai - again and again she pops up and re invents the wheel with another argument basically - I felt like shouting SHUT UP tbh

Great pedometer suggestion though - which I am grateful to her for :)

NotAnOtter · 08/05/2006 00:02

bring back Aloha campaign starts hereGrin

Greensleeves · 08/05/2006 00:02

It was a bit paranoid Grin sorry. I did get a bit carried away meself on that thread....

veNivIDiViCkiqV · 08/05/2006 00:05

Just on that one GS? Wink

mykidsmum · 08/05/2006 00:05

I actually have a huge amount of respect for aloha in the way she has dealt with this situation. She left, calmly, dignity still intact and has obviously decided she doesn't want to return (which we all feel a bit sad about). I find it refreshing rather than alot of the wittering of late that we don't like this aboutMN, or there are too many cliques or many of the other things folks are moaning about. Surely its best just to go, rather than endlessly go on about how badly you have been treated or how unfair MN is.

Greensleeves · 08/05/2006 00:05
Shock
veNivIDiViCkiqV · 08/05/2006 00:07

PMSL at innocent!

Greensleeves · 08/05/2006 00:08

I can see your point there mykidsmum, but the fact remains that some of us don't think she should have been put in a position where she felt she had to leave. She is missed, and it did seem very unfair.

Greensleeves · 08/05/2006 00:08
veNivIDiViCkiqV · 08/05/2006 00:12
beety · 08/05/2006 00:13

greensleeves, are you an oldie with a new name of a fairly newbie who has become like an oldie ??Wink