MN allows racism to stand

[amillionyears]

I have reported it 3 times today, 1 before 9am.
Heard nothing from them.

Sorry, I'm still intrigued with the ethnic slur list

I see that 'hun' is listed on that Wiki link.

So, if anyone should call me 'hun', I shall be asking for it to be deleted.

Froggy isn't in the same league as paki, surely? Not that it has ANYTHING to do with "mad as a bunch of..".

Or a Hun! (Not NetMums)

Hun
(US and UK) 1) A derogatory term for Germans, especially German soldiers; popular during World War

If someone went onto the Mental Health boards and commented that someone was as mad as a box of frogs, then yeah, I'd report that as it would be a bit twattish.

But away from that context I'm disappointed that it was seen as a personal attack.

I think they are similar jenai? I don't know and I don't want to offend, but I think of 'frog' as being a rude and derogatory word for someone who's French.

I accept the history is different so there is a much nastier context to the other insult, and that does make a huge difference. But I wouldn't chose to use either.

Lovecat, I tend to agree. I love the phrase 'mad as a box of frogs'. Surely it's not bad enough to delete? What next? Can we say 'silly sausage'?

Poppy,
I am fascinated by that list too. Did you know that 'jerry can' was from the word 'jerry' ie derogatory for German.

Ok Mme, hun.

Mad as a box of frogs has nothing at all to do with the French. It has to do with imagining what a box of frogs would be like. Pretty mad, I think we can all agree.

I made an hilarious joke about pram Huns once. Which referred to my ENORMOUS German perambulator.

Hun is xenophobic though.

Jenai/LRD
I don't know. I would have 'paki' as worse than 'frog' but have no actual reason for that, other than I would guess that people from France are less likely to be racially abused than those of Pakistan/British heritage. Which isn't a good reason at all actually.

I don't think so LRD. The historical context is absolutely key, imo. Frog might be rude, but it's not hateful.

MmeLindor it's interesting, isn't it?

I'm horrified that Skippy is an ethnic slur, it's so endearing.

On the other hand, got to laugh at the not-so-subtle Scottish "Orange Bastard" - I mean, even if you remove all the religious connotations it's just not nice is it?

I believe that the 2 posters meant it in a racially offensive manner.
I reported it early this morning to MNHQ.
And twice more later.

They only deleted the 3 posts by 2 seperate posters when I started this thread.
Maybe they were going to get round to it eventually.
Who knows?

Seriously?! FFS. Racist my arse.

OTOH, I have quite enjoyed this thread.

That's sort of what I was trying to say about context, Mme, but rather less eloquently. Thank you.

But I agree with others, this is not relevant to the OP! 'Box of frogs' has nothing to do with the French!

jenai - I take your point.

I would use 'frog' to refer to the French but I think it's fair enough to say lots of things are offensive without saying they all have to be equally offensive - that's how I'll think of it anyhow.

I don't at all mean to deny the context and I do think it matters.

I see 'frog' as quite a mild, even affectionate term, just as in ye olden days apparently the French used to refer to Brits as 'les rosbifs'. Depends to some extent on the way it's used, of course ('fuck off, frog twat' would be bad; 'of course the frogs are obsessed with cheese' less so). Definitely not with the same connotations as Chink/Paki.

Maybe you should have asked the posters if they meant it in a racist way before assuming that it was?

So just for clarification, is it ok to keep French people in boxes or not?

And to be serious for a moment, 'frog' in reference to the French can certainly be jocular, and would only be rude and hostile if used in a rude and hostile way. It's not racist, as the French aren't a 'race', nor is it commonly daubed on vandalised shops, nor yelled during the course of a racist attack. It has nothing like the ugly history of words like P- or N--r.

I dunno, froggies/ros-bifs - my French friends and I have referred to each other and themselves as such for years.Maybe that makes it OK, maybe it doesn't.

I don't think either party necessarily reclaimed the terms from their oppressors or anything, in the way "queer" or "nigger" has been

oh, I would have thought Orange Bastard would be a person who has imbibed too much Irn Bru

I remember being incredibly offended by my mum commenting on the 'krauts' at the Munich football match not long after I met DH. I had misheard, she said 'crowds', and couldn't understand my massive strop.