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Is all the deleting because of the F4J thread?

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CardyMow · 29/05/2012 23:16

I KNOW they threatened legal action and all that gubbins, and they were MORE than trigger happy when I posted on their fb page IN MY OWN NAME (just explaining how much of a support MN has been to me over the years), but this is RUINING MN.

Please, take MN back to how it used to be, I have been here on and off, under a previous reg no as well as this one, for 6/7 years now, and in the last few months, the number of deletions has jumped massively.

And, to be honest, the guff from MNHQ about not deleting disablist posts or comments seems rather, well, odd in the face of so many seemingly innocuous posts getting deleted.

Why is it ok to delete someone who uses the word 'disingenuous', yet you won't delete people who use the word r**ard, or those who hurl personal abuse at those of us with disabilities, all in the name of 'self-moderation' and education. Where's the self-moderation here?!

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HelenMumsnet · 30/05/2012 18:51

Hello. Sorry to be late to this thread. 2shoes, that post has been deleted and you should have mail. Apols for the delay: we certainly haven't been as quick on this one as we'd have hoped.

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HelenMumsnet · 30/05/2012 20:45

Apols, CardyMow for not answering your Q: the answer is no, deleting has nothing to do with F4J and all that gubbins.

Justine has posted about our stance on deletions tonight. You can read it here.

And, just to be really clear, we are definitely in the business of deleting people who use the word r*tard etc. Although, on occasions, as today, it may take us a while to see the Report and act upon it.

And we're all for others explaining to the person who used that word why it's unacceptable to do so. We'd just prefer it if you did so without attacking them.

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HelenMumsnet · 31/05/2012 10:30

@CardyMow

I don't get deleted THAT often. . Just sometimes, some people really ARE just utter cunts, and it's impossible to even explain to then how cuntish their post is, without also referring to them as cunts IYSWIM!

If the word R*ard is deletable, why aren't 'ln', 'Spz', 'He/she had an eppy fit'? (which I personally find VERY offensive, but usually just call the poster on, no need to report, I'm a big girl don'cha know.). There are other disablist remarks that are left to stand, which, while not attacking ONE person with that disability (i.e. not a 'personal attack'), ARE attacking a GROUP of people who have that disability, who happen to be protected in law by the Equality Act 2010, yadda yadda. An attack against a group of people who have a disability that you, a friend, or a member of your family suffer from CAN be construed as a personal attack. However, even on the VERY rare occasions that these get reported (and it's usually ONLY when they have been fucking disgustingly offensive), we all get the same email back that the comments will be left to stand in the name of educating people. Y'see, Disablist comments ARE treated differently.

And if it's NOT to do with F4J, why is it only since then that it seems to have gorn a bit trigger-happy with the deletions? I have been here for far too long, blooming Hotel California, this place quite a while, and though there was a change when I was pg with DS3 a year and a half ago (when I got a whole Fred deleted for calling it 'Cunting Mothercare', which would have gone undeleted in the past thinks of Cunting BT and Cunting Sainsbury's threads), it just seems to have gone into overdrive since the F4J stuff.

It just seems like a very co-incidental coincidence IYKWIM.

No, CardyMow, disablist posts are not treated differently. Our Talk Guidelines very clearly say that they will be deleted. It may have been true in the past that comments were left so people could "educate" but we've pulled our socks up since then that's definitely not the case now.

But we do rely on folks to report them to us, so we can delete them. There are over 30,000 posts on Mumsnet every day: we cannot possibly track every single one. Please don't assume that because a disablist post has not been deleted, we have seen it and decided to leave it; it's much much more likely that it hasn't been reported to us, so we don't know about it.

Re the deletions: they haven't gone up recently, in fact. If you check out Justine's post yesterday, you'll see they've actually gone down.

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