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mn hq, is it really wise to have topics that are deamed so agressive/scary that most members don't want to post there?

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wannaBe · 29/08/2011 13:40

have just read a thread in the doghouse topic, and posts from a few posters saying that they never post there due to the agressive responses there.

Now, I know that hiding a topic could always be an option, but is it really in the spirit of mn to have separate topics that are deamed so unwelcoming/agressive that few posters actually want to post there?

I can of course see the need for certain sections, conception/sn/relationships, but it just seems against everything that mn stands for to let a topic exist that is frequented only by a few individuals while the majority feel that the responses there are agressive enough to warrant not feeling comfortable there.

Why can't we just go back to having a pets topic?

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 29/08/2011 23:30

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Pinot · 30/08/2011 08:47

This has turned into a witchhunt of one poster and that is totally wrong. You should address your concerns to MNHQ directly, not pull someone apart on a thread and pick over the bones.

Bloody awful thread. I feel so sorry for her. You may not like her posting style but no-one deserves to be slagged off like this.

TheMitfordsMaid · 30/08/2011 08:51

My comment wasn't about a particular poster. I have no idea who wrote the posts that drove my friend off Mumsnet.

DeccaTreuhaft, I feel like I should curtesy but the real Decca probably wouldn't want me to, would she? Smile

MmeLindor. · 30/08/2011 09:10

Pinot
It really isn't.

I had no idea who the posters were on that thread, I recognised some of the names, but from other areas of MN, not from TheDoghouse. And when you pointed out that it was not good to "out" V's namechange, I reported the relevant post and asked MNHQ to delete them. Which they did.

Maryz · 30/08/2011 09:12

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Pinot · 30/08/2011 09:23

Maryz the poster people are referring to (the namechanger) was on the thread. She's helped me massively since April and I owe her a great deal. It was her fire that made me want to keep the kittens, despite all the advice to the contrary. The very fire that makes her a target on this thread.

It just leaves me very, very sad to read all this. I understand MmeL that you were being more general but it's obvious to outsiders who this thread is now aimed at.

IMO. Oh I don't know and it's not my thing to interfere, I just owe her such a lot. :(

MmeLindor. · 30/08/2011 09:29

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ProfessionallyOffendedGoblin · 30/08/2011 09:30

fire, passion, internal drive.

Pinot · 30/08/2011 09:32

Thanks POG :)

ProfessionallyOffendedGoblin · 30/08/2011 09:35

I don't read or post in DH as I'm not keen on dogs, but I have always admired one individual's drive and commitment to dogs.
I may disagree with the extreme lengths she is prepared to go to, but she has always been honest and direct about her opinions. Sometimes a person who is totally immersed in an issue can appear to be harsh and opinionated without flexibility to others.
I think you have to grow a ticker skin, and report posts that you find offensive, rather than wondering if every negative message is personalised and targeted at you.

ProfessionallyOffendedGoblin · 30/08/2011 09:36

What happened to my 'h'?

thicker skin

MmeLindor. · 30/08/2011 09:42

POG
The posters who are passionate about dogs - I admire them. They do such good work and it must be awful sometimes to see dogs suffering. But at the same time, if this passion makes them impatient and rough with posters who are asking an innocent question on MN, then they need to tone it down a bit.

This is not about one poster. It is about the tone on TheDoghouse.

It is about the fact that several posters have stated that they won't go on that topic and ask a question because they are frightened of the response.

I used to use the topic more, but have used it less in recent months as the balance of opinion is just not there now.

I am used to MN. I can give as good as I get. But some of these posters are being scared off MN for good, newbies who are not used to AIBU.

And, as I have already said, if I had come across a similar post on a different topic, I would have supported the OP.

wannaBe · 30/08/2011 09:43

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Pinot · 30/08/2011 09:51

Wannabe I understand the thread didn't start as an attack on one poster and for a lot of the thread it was adhered to. And I agree with you, I do :) But the last few posts have been aimed at one poster and she was even named (now deleted) and that's what I object to.

southmum · 30/08/2011 10:00

This thread is disgusting

MNHQ I hope you are also going to consider this thread when you are looking into whatever it is you feel needs looking into.

The Doghouse can get a bit heated but is it any wonder when an OP posts about keeping small puppies in a GARDEN on their own all day and then gets all upset when, not surprisngly, they dont get cooing "there there dear its all ok" stokes on their head.

As for the other examples, well, without the whole of the thread to refer to its easy to put your own spin on it.

Awful awful cowardly thread.

wannaBe · 30/08/2011 10:03

pog it is one thing to be passionate about your field. It's great to have that drive and to feel so strongly about something that you dedicate your life to it over everything else.

But having drive and passion does not justify being able to talk to people however you want without consequence. Sometimes people on mn do need to grow a thicker skin, but the onus shouldn't always be on those who are posting for advice - it is all about give and take.

And being too agressive can be counter-productive. How many people are afraid to post in that topic for fear of the responses? As a result how many people might buy a puppy from an unsuitable source; might have a dog put to sleep when it could have been rehomed; might end up with an unhappy relationship with their dog when they could have got help?

It's all about balance really.

Nothing wrong with telling someone that picking up a puppy on the m4 at the Bristol junction when you've never seen the parents or the home it's come from is a seriously bad idea and should warrant some thought as to where that puppy might have come from, and what conditions others like it are living inn.

Nothing wrong with saying that someone should have thought through their decision to get a puppy and that a dog should be for life, and that rehoming it because you weren't prepared for the poohing/chewing/jumping shouldn't be considered a reasonable option and this should be thought through carefully.

Nothing wrong with suggesting that if a dog snaps it shouldn't necessarily mean that dog is going to turn into an agressive monster, and tht with some training it might be able to remain a lovely dog..

But it's all about balance. You can put those points across without needing to throw your "expertees" into the argument. You can put those points across without needing to swear or call names or hurl insults, and IMO once you start name-calling or swearing you lose all credibility anyway.

We have lots of people on mn who are experts in their field, and lots of them are capable of giving good advice without needing to resort to being rude to people. Ticktock is considered expert on bf/ff/child feeding but as someone said up thread she doesn't resort to namecalling or intimidation - and I speak as someone who has had heated disagreements with ticktock in the past.

Moondog is a salt and has given excellent advice on the sn boards (she reserves her swaring for other threads, Wink Grin)
And so it goes on. If you're an expert in what you do then it's best to keep being known for being an expert, and approachable as such, for what you do, because once you start earning a reputation for being intimidating and unapproachable it doesn't matter how much you know. If people don't feel they can talk to you then your expertees means nothing.

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ProfessionallyOffendedGoblin · 30/08/2011 10:16

I agree that it is far more useful to engage in a dialogue with someone about a topic than be on the receiving end of a rant, and I also agree that aggression, swearing and an inability to listen to what the other is saying is a waste of effort and time.
If you want to change anything at a base level, one of the tools is to get others to listen to your argument without feeling accused.
It is one of the major flaws in MN, and other sites like it, that discussions become personalised and shouty, and people switch off and feel unhappy that they ever got involved.
I do tend to step round posts that come from an inflexible source, because if you can't engage in a discussion and an exchange of views then there isn't much point to an interaction.

MmeLindor. · 30/08/2011 10:28

Southmum
The op of that thread talked about selling the puppies because she didn't want to leave them in the garden all day.

And she didn't have a chance to explain herself because she got jumped on.

HallnotOates · 30/08/2011 10:41

WOOF WOOF WOOF

TheOriginalFAB · 30/08/2011 13:18

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fargate · 30/08/2011 14:53

Plenty of hectoring and naked aggression on MN. Too much IMO. I prefer intelligent, reasoned argument but seems harder to find.

I can't say I've ever changed my POV after being SHOUTED AT, SWORN AT or Hmm'd At on the internet - or in RL either. I won't tolerate intimidation by anyone and disengage - probably with my opinion even more firmly entrenched.

I think the behaviours which are being discussed here are well known on the www and are called 'amplification' and 'recruitment' (?) so not special to TDH, MN tho' certainly practised by a 50 or so individual posters here.

These 'top dogs' really do stand out because they draw so much attention to themselves.

More dog-fights than bunfights these days.

southmum · 30/08/2011 14:59

Decca - I dunno, I think at best the OP of this thread is very naive indeed if they didnt really think it would turn out any other way.

At Worst? IMO I think the suggestion of changing the topic name from The Doghouse to Pets would make no difference to the content whatsoever (apart from it being diluted with talk of Gerbils) and I do wonder if that was just used as a red herring to start this thread off, knowing full well how it was bound to end

Cheria · 30/08/2011 15:06

The Doghouse is wonderful - please keep it as it.