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McDonalds Ads - tell us how do you feel about them folks?

609 replies

JustineMumsnet · 01/03/2011 16:22

Good day MNetters,
We've been asked if we'd host ads for McDonalds, so we thought we'd ask what you think. Would you object to banner ads (ie like the one at the top of the page) on Mumsnet?
Let us know.

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Maryz · 06/03/2011 11:25

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Ciske · 06/03/2011 11:29

Should you advertise unhealthy food to parents, bearing in mind all you know about child obesity, poor nutrition and the influence of advertising on eating decisions?

No from me, please.

glasnost · 06/03/2011 11:32

Maryz I HAVE NOT. End of. You're in the majority. You've won as I'm sure they'll run the ad's so what else do you want? It's pathetic this and so childish. I pity some people's kids I really do.

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Maryz · 06/03/2011 11:41

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glasnost · 06/03/2011 11:47

Oh Maryz Maryz.................just let it lie.

The good will NOT outweigh the bad as it never does. It's best to stay well away from the bad in the first place. You can't do a deal with devil and come out unscathed. If they need the revenue there'll shitloads of other companies that can avertise on here.

But as I've said you've won as the ad's will appear. OK? Happy? And you should have better things to do with your time than going over threads heat seeking in on insults from one party which were actually in reply to rudeness from someone else.

Himalaya · 06/03/2011 12:43

I had a look and MN does have a policy. It does give some basic principles about what MN stands for, but not a lot of guidance on which companies and sectors are in or out and why:

"Mumsnet is akin to a social enterprise. Though the site is a business and we hope to be a profitable one, our overarching aim is not the pursuit of profits. We manage Mumsnet with the aim of serving our community as much as serving our shareholders and we endeavour to conduct business in an ethical manner.

With this in mind, Mumsnet supports the WHO/UNICEF International Code on the Marketing of Breastmilk Substitutes and we do not accept advertising from a number of companies including Nestle and McDonald's, and for a number of products, such as formula milk and cosmetic surgery, that we believe do not sit well with our philosophy - namely to make parents' lives easier."

I think it is great that MN is consulting on this issue. The sitea new kind of business that co-creates value with its users, and like Facebook etc.. will need to work out a new basis of consultation and accountability, that goes beyond the basic decide-and-defend approach of traditional businesses.

I agree with Eleison - having got a fair ammount of feedback on a very short question on the McDonald's question as posed, it would be good if MNHQ now puts some more of its cards on the table about what the the actual decision making process they are consulting about is (as far as they can within the bounds of commercial confidentiality). For example;

  • are McDonald's looking to advertise on Mumsnet (and is it a product promotion or an effort to respond on the issues.)
  • Is this about a stream of advertising - i.e. a contract with an online advertising agency to sell space on MN
  • Is it about changing and upgrading the current policy and making it more robust?

Whatever the catalyst for this discussion, maybe it is time to review the policy (perhaps together with how and why MN chooses particular campaigns, and the extent to which MN can and should claim to speak for members in the media).

I am not sure that 'making parents lives easier' captures the full basis of what MN is about in its campaigning and ethical stance - surely there should be something there about making 'children's lives better' (...and all the difficult ethical dilemmas that that involves - which form the basis of most of the most heated debates here)

McDonald's does often make parents lives easer as it is a non-snooty, convienient, cheap, easy place for a meal (also IME for breastfeeding, going to the loo, changing nappies..). Others would argue it makes parents lives harder because of the pester power factor.

But a lot of the pro- anti- Mcdonalds debate is about impacts on children's health through obesity. Causes of obesity of course go beyond McDonalds to other fast food, supermarkets, playing fields, PE, road safety, cycling, walking etc.... I would argue that children's issues are within the scope of what MN should stand for and against. But if MN wants to do something serious on childhood obesity it needs to be a serious campaign strategy, not a tokenistic ban on McDonalds.

And then there are the questions that go beyond parenting - rainforests, animal welfare, employment conditions, capitalism etc.. I guess that MN shouldn't be expected to have a consistent viewpoint on these things, given the huge variety of people and views here... other than to say that companies should be open and responsive to stakeholders on these issues...

(...which is why I would be generally OK with a McDonalds link to an information/debate type site, but think a 'two-all-beef-patties-special-sauce-lettuce-cheese-pickles-onions-on-a-sesame-seed-bun'type advert would probably be a bad idea both for MN and for Ronald McDonald.)

BecauseImWorthIt · 06/03/2011 12:53

Whatever decision is made, we have just all contributed to a hugely valuable piece of research for McDonalds. I wonder how much they have paid for this?

AMumInScotland · 06/03/2011 14:13

I'm pretty sure there'll never be agreement on this stuff, but maybe MN could set up a survey to look at what categories people would be uncomfortable with, so they have a "sliding scale" of opinion to judge by?

There are a lot of things I'd be less happy about than McDs -

plastic surgery, botox, private immunisations

pay-day loans, pawn shops, "we buy your gold for a pittance", work from home deals with an upfront cost

Playboy merchandise

You can't get a consensus on what's ok and whats not, or how bad one thing is relative to another, ut if they got plenty of replies on a wide range of things like this, then they would have an overall view of what MNers have the biggest issues with.

glasnost · 06/03/2011 15:47

That is an excellent point and had crossed my mind too. As had the fact that McD's should pay us not MN seeing as the posters make this site.

Eleison · 06/03/2011 16:02

Yes, BiWi, I am a tad concerned about that too. It is like when Mnhq got a huge free chunk of market research from a thread they started about women's role in family car-purchase. The big contract with Ford came soon after.Hmm

I also wondered whether the op might be based on a query, not from an advertiser, but from some other party altogether -- journailist or whatever. It would be good to know. Best to give as much info as possible when asking for our input IMO, otherwise posters risk serving ends they would rather not.

Eleison · 06/03/2011 16:04

Actually, I am never going to respond again on an mnhq thread asking for our opinions unless they say exactly why they are asking and give enough context.

changeforthebetter · 06/03/2011 16:05

Personally, I wouldn't be thrilled as they really do sell a load of fat and salt laden junk which is bad for kids. But I agree that like a lot of other posters I filter out the ads anyway (likelihood of me being able to afford a Mark Warner holiday/Boden wardrobe/GLTC whatever anytime soon............? Grin)

glasnost · 06/03/2011 16:28

My excellent point referred to Becauseimworthit and the fact we've done excellent market research FREE

southeastastra · 06/03/2011 16:30

i feel sad that we could have lost a great poster because of it :(

glasnost · 06/03/2011 16:36

So MN wanto renege on their own policy as posted by Himalaya re. not accepting advertising from McD's?? How odd. Where are they going to stop? Soon they'll be asking our opinions on them accepting ad's for cosmetic surgery.

Boo to you, MN.

Or it's all been a ploy to take the temperature of their demographic.. Whatever, I suggest they inform us pretty soon instead of sitting back and watching the sparks fly. This must've been entertaining for them in MN towers.

MilaMae · 06/03/2011 17:57

I do think McD is different from Boden,Centre Parks and Warners all of which I couldn't afford in a million years not so McD.McD is sooo very affordable which is half the problem.

Pizza Express is different too as again it's not affordable to most(we only go about twice a year courtesy off Tesco),it's a proper restaurant setting and there are plenty of healthy options to choose from-it's real food. There are no bribary toys and the kids menu includes a tiny thin pizza or pasta and doughballs which come with salad.A happy meal has a fruit bag option big wooop ,I know no kid that would choose a fruit bag over fries and the entire remaining meal is made up of fried food.

Having a McD advert on here sends out very bad messages that serving burger and fries on a regular basis is just great,healthy in fact when it bloody isn't. You could cook home made burgers with your finest 100% organic beef and fries and it should still be an occasional treat.

Having burger and fries adverts on here goes beyond mums buying it in McD outlets it endorses serving up chicken nuggets,burgers etc regularly at home too. Who knows what codswallop McD want to display.

This thread isn't a ballot it's just a conversation and like others I'm a bit Hmm that mn posed the question then buggared off.I really hope mn know themselves what the right decision is(if ads on here were a possibility)and think beyond the big buck. Mn has grown and rightly or wrongly it's decisions and points of view in many areas of parenting are now going to be scrutinised.

PuzzleRocks · 06/03/2011 18:01

[resolves to finally get ad blocker]

usualsuspect · 06/03/2011 18:06

You can justify pizza express all you like ..but the bottom line is ,its more up market than McDonalds thats why it wasn't moaned about

AMumInScotland · 06/03/2011 18:16

usualsuspect - I think that's exactly it. It's easy to picture "nice" families in there, eating properly with a knife and fork, having a pizza as a treat, even though mummy normally gives them home-made healthy meals. So of course it can be part of a healthy diet and lifestyle. Not like nasty old McDonalds in the slightest, which is full of people who don't know any better. Sobbery, tbh.

If MN do decide to have a policy on ads, I would hope that high fat foods marketed at children would be treated on an equal basis - allow both or neither, but don't say one's ok because it meets a cosy demographic, and demonise the other.

southeastastra · 06/03/2011 18:18

but kids don't all gather together in pizza express do they? anyway am just repeating myself now - it's nothing to do with snobbery

PuzzleRocks · 06/03/2011 18:21

Were Morris & Steel being snobs?

Hulababy · 06/03/2011 18:22

Teens seem to gather a fair bit in Starbucks round here, at least as much as in McDonalds, for some reason. Or Subway - yuck!

AMumInScotland · 06/03/2011 18:23

What on earth has "kids gathering together" got to do with it?

southeastastra · 06/03/2011 18:25

look, im not being funny but i will just end up repeating myself and winding myself up on this thread now.

my arguments are already posted.

AMumInScotland · 06/03/2011 18:32

OK, it's all getting pretty repetitive Smile I reckon MN needs to set up a proper consultation for all of us on what categories we have issues with, rather than starting a thread like this, if they want to know properly what we think. Then we can each put our votes in for what we think is ok and what isn't, one set of answers per person, and they can publish the answers in some kind of order, and either base a strategy on it or ignore it as they choose!