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Moltex eco-friendly disposables

36 replies

Marina · 08/08/2002 19:41

I've seen these advertised in a mail-order catalogue and wondered if anyone had ever used them here (I think they are German and not available in supermarkets etc in the UK). They certainly seem more eco-friendly but the blurb would say that, I guess...all comments appreciated.

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Ellaroo · 08/08/2002 19:50

Marina, I've been looking into these myself as apparently the SAM in regular nappies has been linked to cancer when the nappy gets so wet that the SAM goes into little crystals. I think they work out quite a bit more expensive and this is what's putting me off (I know, you can't put a price on health, but we have absoloutely no extra money!), however, I know that the company below deliver them free and I have seen really good reviews about them. Have you looked at Tushies as well?

The Natural Baby Company
PO Box 76
Ryde
PO33 3XH
Telephone: 01983 810925
Email: [email protected]
www.naturalbabycompany.com

wmf · 08/08/2002 20:54

I love them.

Wouldn't touch Tushies with a barge-pole (do I sound a bit opinionated ? ) as they leak horribly, especially poo, because they lack the inner gusset that all other disposables have.

Little Green Earthlets and The Nappy Lady also supply Moltex Oko, and the cost works out about the same as Pampers if you buy them in large boxes.

Moltex have no lotions in them, and ds virtually never has nappy rash. Also they smell much nicer, wet or dry, then any other disposable that I have tried - literally odourless. They've got less gel in them because (I think) they use some sort of cellulose to absorb liquid, and they're unbleached, so their manufacture is less polluting.

OK, I admit it - I'm a fan.

jenny2998 · 08/08/2002 22:35

Can I ask why you're not considering washable nappies? I love mine, and some systems are just as easy to use as disposables - they will halve the contents of your bin, and it works out cheaper.

Worth a thought?

bea · 08/08/2002 23:25

They're ace!!! I love them to bits! Brilliant! No leaks, very absorbant, everybit as good as a Pampers/Huggies! Agree about tushies! absolute bobbins! also incredibley thick and the sticky tabs on them must have used superglue as i found it almost impossible to change a wiggley baby when trying to rip the tabs off on a tushie nappy!

Am thinking of using cloth nappies at the moment, but i love the Molotex! How can i give them up!!! I get mine from Little Green Earthlets, who do big boxes of them!

Try Them!

bushpig · 09/08/2002 00:17

Yes Moltex Oko are effficien and excellent from a health and environmental point of view.

Does anyone know of any research that links falling male fertility levels to the rise of disposable nappies? I wonder if being constantly wrapped as they can be good for them.

wmf · 10/08/2002 15:48

Jenny2998 - as it happens, we are using washables at the moment, as we're trying to encourage ds to potty train before d? is born in December. We were originally intending to use washables from weaning onwards (ie solid poos rather than runny leak-prone ones) but post-natal depression put paid to that ambition!

Marina · 11/08/2002 19:59

Jenny2998, in an ideal world I would, but I have to go back to work when my second baby is between 6 and 8 months old, I have to work full-time, and since Ofsted took over inspecting daycare instead of local authorities, most nurseries will no longer accept reusable nappies because of the hygienic storage implications. So it is not going to be worth investing in reusables, and I thought Moltex might be the least damaging disposable option. If I was able to give up working outside the home I would certainly be buying reusables, believe me.
Interestingly, many commercial nurseries are also starting to refuse to store expressed breast milk, which I think is even more unacceptable. At least our university nursery provides a fridge for parents of under twos to supply preferred food and drink, bless them.
Thanks to all for positive comments about Moltex, I will definitely be getting them, and it was nice to have the verdict on Tushies as a bonus.

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chanelno5 · 20/08/2002 08:54

Marina - Hadn't heard of these nappies, but thought I would try them out on youngest ds even though he is 2yrs 3mths and hopefully will be out of them soon! Have ordered a box from Little Green Earthlets (thanks for buying tips everyone - ordered Splash and Playsuit too and am extremely tempted to keep very messy 2 yr old permanently in it!!) Will let you know how we get on with them - thanks for mentioning them.

Tetley · 20/08/2002 11:16

I've been using the 'Nature' eco-friendly disposables, as I can get them at Sainsbury's. Has anyone used these as well as the Moltex? If so, which do you prefer?

Marina · 20/08/2002 12:36

I'd be interested in this too, Tetley, as these are what we used until we potty-trained ds a few months ago. I was very happy with them but want to try Moltex as I think they are more biodegradable. Let us know how you got on, Chanel!

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Enid · 20/08/2002 13:49

Please feel free to correct me, but I don't think that the Nature boy and girl nappies are biodegradable at all - the only 'eco friendly' thing about them is that they don't use any chlorine bleaches and I think they are made with a small amount of recycled plastic.

Philippat · 20/08/2002 14:10

I've been worried about the biodegradable-ness of nature nappies since someone told me on another thread that they need light to degrade (something they don't get in landfill, obviously).

Well, I now know a lot more than I really needed to!

The 'plastic' is actually Mater-bi, a starch based material which according to the vast quantities of graphs on their web site, degrades at a rate equivalent to cellulose (and there's some very pretty pictures of it degrading completely in 40 days). Of course I have no idea what their 'controlled composting' and 'municipal sewage' conditions actually are!
In doing this search, I also discovered that nature nappies are MORE biodegradable than Moltex. However, Nature Nappies are bleached white, which Moltex are not (however, Moltex do use a small amount of gel).

Manfwood · 20/08/2002 14:19

Interested to see everyone's comments about Moltex - have been using normal ones and also nature boy/girl but dont think they are as good and was wondering how environmentally friendly they were. was going to try laundry service but my local company didnt return my message and then went back to work part time so think reusables wouldnt really work - also dont have tumble drier to wash own. Now that i have justified myself about using disposables am interested to find out more about Moltex. Have ordered catalogue from Little Green Earthlets but cant actually find any information about Moltex other than various sites that sell them - do they have their own English website??

Thanks a lot

Tetley · 20/08/2002 14:35

Thanks for the info, Philippat. To add to your store of information, I've just found information re composting of eco-disposables using worm composters! Apparently it works well!

Click here for further info

Tetley · 20/08/2002 14:36

That link didn't work. Try here instead

Philippat · 20/08/2002 16:50

ROFL!

Thank you Tetley for cheering up my afternoon no end.

I'll... umm... consider the worms...

Ellaroo · 20/08/2002 20:37

I am a bit confused about this. One of the main things I wanted from the more eco-friendly nappy was for it not to contain the gel in it that, when wetted, crystalises and can occassionally be seen on DD's bottom as this has been linked to toxic shock syndrome and all sorts of horrid things. I wonder if years later we will find out that this gel has been able to do some really awful things against our babies wet (and sometimes raw with nappy rash) skin. This substance has been banned from use in Tampax - yes these are internal, but when a child has nappy rash this substance can get into open sores and so is effectively the same. Why is it still allowed in nappies? Anyway, on the Moltex site it says they are made with:

unbleached wood pulp
recycled plastic material
no perfumes
no brighteners
no lotions
no antioxidants

However, it doesn't say anything about not containing this gel. Does anyone know of a good alternative????

I found this quite disturbing in the following article - sorry it's so long!

"The super absorber (sodium polyacrylate) that makes disposables so absorbent was removed from tampons in 1985 because of its links with toxic shock syndrom (TSS). It is believed that TSS could occur if the baby has an open lesion such as the kind that occurs with nappy rash. The chemical is lethal to cats if inhaled and death has occurred from ingestion of just 5 grams of this chemical. Paediatric journals contain reports of the chemical sticking to babies genitals. When the baby's skin gets wet, this super absorber can pull fluids from baby's skin.

Concern has been expressed about the strong superabsorbent qualities of the gel in disposables; it is possible that it may reach to the baby's internal organs if it is not contained in the liner.

Following test results, WEN issued a press release on 30 July 2000 with the results of chemical analysis of 5 types of newborn size nappies. Tests were carried out on disposable nappies for the chemical tributyl tin (TBT) following the tests made by Greenpeace Germany. Greenpeace found TBT in various nappies on sale in Germany. An excerpt from WEN's press release is as follows :"Five types of newborn size nappies showed the presence of TBT. Although the amounts are tiny, babies could be in contact with up to 3.6 times the estimated tolerable daily intake. TBT is a long-lasting toxic chemical which is a known endocrine disruptor. It has caused shellfish to change sex and recent research suggests it could act in a similar way in humans. It is used in antifouling paint on ships and in the manufacture of certain plastics.. WEN is extremely concerned that a product is being sold for use on newborn babies even though the manufactures know it contains a chemical which, in tiny amounts, can disrupt hormones. They are concerned that it may leach out of materials it is in. The chemical can be absorbed through the skin and as babies' skins are much thinner than adults it is a cause for concern".

Released on the BBC news website on 25 September 2000. Nappy link to infertility. Scientists believe disposable nappies could be linked to both male infertility and testicular cancer. Research carried out in Germany suggests that disposable nappies may have an adverse affect on the development of a boy's reproductive system. Scientists found that the plastic lining in these nappies increased the temperature of the scrotum by one degree, High scrotal temperatures are known to reduce sperm counts in adults. The scientists tested the scrotal temperatures of 48 baby boys over two 24-hour periods. Each of the babies wore either disposable plastic lined nappies or cotton nappies. They found that the disposable nappies impaired normal testicular cooling while the reusable nappies had no effect on temperature. The scientists added that the temperature of the scrotum in boys with disposable nappies could be expected to increase further when they suffered from fevers.

The chemicals used in disposable nappies are not subject to government controls or independent testing. No one knows the long term effects of having such chemicals next to a baby's skin for 2 1/2 years.

Evidence suggests that babies who wear real nappies potty train 6-12 months earlier than babies that wear disposables. They become more aware of their bodily functions sooner because they can feel that they are wet.

Other problems reported to the Consumer Protection Agency have been chemical burns, reports of babies pulling disposables apart and putting pieces of plastic into their noses and mouth, choking on tab papers and linings, plastic melting onto the skin and ink staining the skin.

It has also been reported in the Lancet that hip problems have increased over the last 20 years with the widespread use of disposable nappies, as they provide little support for correct hip development for crawling and walking. Cotton nappies gives more support holding a new-borns legs in the optimum position for good/correct hip development. Increased instance of coccyx bone damage has also been reported in toddlers wearing thin disposables, cotton nappies provide more padding and protection for tumbling toddlers when learning to walk.

A report published in the Lancet in August 1998 linked close proximity to landfill with congenital abnormalities, finding that pregnant women living within a 3KM radius are one third more likely to have babies with birth abnormalities, e.g. spina bifida and heart defects.

A study from America published in October 1999 linked disposable nappies to asthma. Laboratory mice exposed to various brands of disposable nappies suffered increased eye, nose and throat irritation, including bronchoconstriction similar to that of an asthma attack. Six leading cotton and disposable nappies were tested; cloth nappies were not found to cause respiratory problems among the lab mice."

sb34 · 21/08/2002 23:17

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cazzybabs · 22/08/2002 13:07

I work almost full time (0.76) and I use "real" nappies. I don't have a tumble drier either. I use terry nappies (ie non-folded) and a plastic wrap to hold everything in place. I bought everything I need from www.twinkleontheweb.co.uk. The lady who runs it is very friendly and helpful. The worst bit is for me hanging them up to dry in the airing cupboard. Honsetly they are really not that much more effort and my daughter has had no nappy rash since we started using them (initially did use pampers and still do if we go out for the day).

Enid · 22/08/2002 14:12

Ellaroo, was that article on a pro-reusables site by any chance? Bad for the environment yes, but chemical burns? hip problems? damaging their spine when they fall without the extra cushioning a reusable provides...mmmm, excuse me while I sift through the biased reporting...

SueDonim · 22/08/2002 14:24

I was wondering about that too, Enid, because babies in less developed countries often wear no nappies at all. If the report is true, they must suffer huge epidemics of hip problems and spinal damage!

aloha · 22/08/2002 15:44

I had a good look on the study about sperm counts and hot testicles too. It turns out the researchers (men?) put one lot of babies in disposables, and the other in cloth nappies WITHOUT the plastic wrap or pants. I don't know anyone who doesn't use the wrap, so it was hardly a fair comparison. I suspect the plastic pants/wrap have an even more 'heating' effect than the thin coating on the disposables. Not that the minor temperature changes have been shown to have any adverse effect as their tiny testicles don't produce any sperm anyway yet. Also Tampax has never contained super-absorbers, just cotton. I think there's a lot of propaganda on both sides and it is very hard to find the original research and really examine it.

Ellaroo · 22/08/2002 20:30

What suspicious minds you have!!! Actually, you were right! When I went back and checked, in very small letters, it said the research was done by a company called nappystash, which when I checked somewhere else turns out to be a laundry service for re-usables.

However, I don't think they can actually lie about these things and there is a multi-million pound business that will work very hard to hide from us the true facts about the gel in nappies anyway. A friend who worked in a nappy factory said that when workers are around the substance in it's powder form they have to wear breathing aparatus to avoid inhaling any as it is really dangerous, so it can't be completely safe. I also came across the following: - I don't think the WHO is being sponsored by a reusable nappy company!!???

"Tributyl tin, has been found in disposable nappies on sale in the UK. This chemical compound is known to disrupt sex hormones.
A baby wearing up to 5 nappies a day could be in contact with up to 3.6 times the World Health Organisation's estimated tolerable daily intake."

aloha · 22/08/2002 20:36

Ellaroo, there's a big difference between 'in contact with' and 'intake of'. I touch a lot of plastic every day, wouldn't like to ingest it, though. Not saying there's nothing in it, just that it's rather cunningly worded.

Ellaroo · 22/08/2002 20:45

Fair point. I don't seem to have a very good eye for reading between the lines, but do feel that there must be something in it...I'm just not sure what!

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