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Staying sexually faithful to one person is hard

46 replies

GoldfishParade · 13/12/2020 11:07

Feel so guilty writing this, I love my DP. But I have really been fantasising about just meeting a guy in a bar and rolling with it. I have never cheated on anyone before. But I still sometimes get the urge. I guess there is role play etc which I will think about broching with him, but ultimately it's about the unexpected, the foreignness of someone else's body and the way they do things I guess that appeals, and the sense of unknown. I'm not you can really replace that no matter how good your sex life is with your long term partner?

Does anybody else feel like this? I'm guessing its relatively common?

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FortunesFave · 13/12/2020 11:21

I keep it in the same place I keep my fantasies about running away and living alone on a remote island...nice to think about but the reality would be messy and not as good as you imagine.

peridito · 13/12/2020 12:52

I'm sure it is common Goldfish .I listened to a Ted talk on affairs and mention was made of an affair offering the opportunity/illusion of the person rediscovering themselves .Or maybe becoming someone else for a while .

I think one would have to be wildly happy not to be tempted by that possibility sometimes .

TheWitchCirce · 13/12/2020 13:13

Good Lord yes! Wouldn't want all the mess and uncertainty that comes with being single, but the fantasy of being free to have sex with other men is strong!

MisterT373 · 13/12/2020 17:43

Aren't women hard wired to move around to find the best suited person to have babies with? Biologically the idea of having a single partner isn't correct.

nonflirtinghusband · 13/12/2020 18:10

Yep, all the time!

Kittykat93 · 13/12/2020 19:39

I've always thought this. It's depressing and I wish I didn't feel like it

OhTheTastyNuts · 13/12/2020 22:20

I'm with you OP. I love DH and would never be unfaithful. He's my ideal partner.

But...the thought of touching someone new and someone new touching me. That's something he can't give me and I reaaallly crave it sometimes.

We've been together for 16 years!

Namechanged1010 · 14/12/2020 07:38

Yes I go through periods like this. I'm happily married with DH and been together years but have phases of fantasising and real urge to have sex with a different man and him do some wild and dirty things with me.
But then the common sense kicks in. I can see how some people cheat if the opportunity suddenly arises like if away from home with work etc. I bet Covid has put a stop to a lot of cheating lol

PinotPony · 14/12/2020 09:37

Absolutely! I've always struggled with monogamy and am ashamed to say that I have cheated in the past and then hugely regretted it afterwards.

I'm now in a very loving open relationship and feel like I've finally found something that works for me. DP and I put a lot of effort into our primary relationship and have to be very mindful of each other's feelings and insecurities. I enjoy the flirting and excitement of meeting someone new but I've come to realise that it is just physical attraction and that nobody I meet lives up to DP. In a strange way, that just makes me appreciate him more.

AverageGuy · 14/12/2020 10:27

OP (and all)
Nothing wrong with a fantasy now and then.

I've often thought that Monogamy was something invented by a man... Probably one that somehow had managed to marry an amazing looking woman, way out of his league! Grin

It's definitely something society / religion forces upon us, particularly women.

I won't condone cheating, and an open relationship isn't for everyone, but if you are interested in maybe exploring things a bit further, maybe consider some "stranger in a bar" or similar roleplay with your OH - it might just re-ignite the fires for both of you!

noego · 15/12/2020 09:48

It's hard because you have been programmed and conditioned to behave monogamously. IMO I don't think it is natural.
I'm non monogamous and a relationship anarchist. It suits who I AM!!

Ifitsamouse · 15/12/2020 12:07

Same here.
My partner has never been the most exciting in bed and after 20 years I find myself thinking about sex with others quite a lot. I would jump at the chance of an open relationship but that will never happen

ElBurroSinNombre · 15/12/2020 13:19

Evolutionary psychologists have deduced that we have not evolved for monogomy. How did they come up with this theory?
Well the theory rests on testicle size in the males of the species of apes. In a species where monogamy is guaranteed there is no need to waste resources making sperm that is not needed. Hence gorilla's have very small testicles because in the gorilla world a silver back has a harem and knows that his sperm will be reproduced with his mates. He has already seen off rivals by being a physical threat to them.
Conversly in some monkey species they have very large testicles in comparison because the females are very promiscuous. The more of an individual monkey's sperm there is, the better the chance of reproduction, so these monkeys will select for bigger and bigger testicles as they evolve (i.e. in laymans terms, on average the guys with the bigger balls will have more offspring)
Human's testicles are mid-range compared to other apes. So this suggests that we expect some competition from other humans when it comes to reproducing. If we had evolved to be monogomous and could be sure of it, males would all have smaller testicles.
These physical factors are clues to mental processes that drive behaviour.
Anyway, it's just a theory but it sort of makes sense.

Arnoldthecat · 16/12/2020 19:46

I think its pretty normal to have fantasies like this and many people act upon them. The trouble is of course that for many, once youve tasted forbidden fruit, the spell is broken and its downhill from there for your previously committed relationship.

Blokenamechangesexboard · 16/12/2020 20:27

Humans are monogomous. To say otherwise is silly. If humans are to be compared to other chimps and whatever, it's clear that monogomy (serial or otherwise) is the dominant relationship pattern both now and in history. The fact that there are some details around the edges (e.g. prostitution, polygamy for powerful men in certain cultures, medieval kings' mistresses and Roman patricians exploiting their slaves) doesn't negate this.

The reasons for the superiority of monogamy are obvious enough: by providing stability for each of its members it's generally the model that works best, even if individual relationships may fail. Saying "society forces it on us" is particularly daft. All societies have codes of conduct, whether derived from religion or otherwise, that its members have to conform to, and this is entirely natural. Once again, the fact that there may be details round the edge and some change over time doesn't change this.

'Authentic' human behaviour involves limitless and guiltless sex? Yeah right. Spare me please. It's an agreeable fantasy that may work for a few people but just hurts others. I'd happily screw most of my female work colleagues. The reasons why I don't will surely be obvious even though none of you will ever meet me.

ElBurroSinNombre · 17/12/2020 08:26

In research carried out 20% of UK respondents admit to having had affairs whilst in a relationship. The true figure is likely to be somewhat higher than this as many respondents in this sort of research do not tell the truth. So for a significant proportion in our society (at least 20%) humans are not monogomous as was categorically stated. Given that around half of marriages end in separation and divorce, I would suggest that the idea of life-long monogamy really doesn't work regardless of the moral arguments for it. It isn't about morals, it is just about observing how people actually behave.

Personally my view is that infidelity and adultery is wrong and I certainly don't believe that all humans can have 'limitless and guiltless sex' (I don't know where you got that from). You may feel that we 'have to conform to societal codes of conduct' but the reality is that many people don't.

AverageGuy · 17/12/2020 09:10

Interesting stuff.

"Humans are monogamous" - Really? Since when?

I'm no biologist, and certainly no expert, so this is just all my opinion, but...

We have sex for the procreation of the race. Ok, it's fun, and we have turned it into a recreational activity, but that's its main purpose.

Males are generally "designed" to spread their seed as far and as wide as they can, to ensure the continuity of their bloodline. Notice that a man can still be fertile in his seventies. Why is that, do you think?

Females are generally "designed" to reject "inferior" seed, thereby ensuring the strongest survive.

It's not unusual for males and females of other species to copulate with multiple partners - why should we be any different? Because society tells us we shouldn't. It's "bad", "forbidden", "wrong", "dirty" and other such terms - particularly for women

IMHO, Religion (generally written by men, you'll notice), has forced monogamy upon us as a race.

Yes, we are "pack" or "social" animals, but that doesn't mean we should be stuck with one sexual partner for our whole lives.

firesong · 17/12/2020 20:06

Really interested to read this. My partner wants me to have sex with other men because it turns him on. I like the idea but am concerned that it'll affect our relationship. Also I feel it won't be fair! I do not want him to have sex with other women. I tried to imagine it and could see the turn on, but know I would be jealous.

Ifitsamouse · 17/12/2020 20:30

We all forget one thing - life long now might seem an eternity

No so long a ago an man would die from disease or war and a woman from disease or childbirth so they might only be together 7 years.

Plus lots of people how stress effects their sex life - imagine life 1000 years ago - i bet no one had the energy for rampant shagging!

AverageGuy · 18/12/2020 08:45

@firesong
There's only one way to find out! Grin

Seriously though, there is a whole subculture out there where "hotwife-ing" or cuckoldry are acceptable, and lots of couples live that lifestyle. The man doesn't have sex with another woman, and in some cases, is "caged", and doesn't even have sex with their partner.

In these relationships, the "sex with other people" has actually strengthened it, rather than weakened it.

If the idea turns (particularly you) you both on, and he is ok with it, where's the harm in doing a little experimentation?

firesong · 18/12/2020 09:32

averageguy the hotwifing or just plain old threesomes might appeal, but not cuckoldry! We'll see, I guess.

Blokenamechangesexboard · 18/12/2020 10:57

OK then...

@ElBurroSinNombre

In research carried out 20% of UK respondents admit to having had affairs whilst in a relationship. The true figure is likely to be somewhat higher than this as many respondents in this sort of research do not tell the truth. So for a significant proportion in our society (at least 20%) humans are not monogomous as was categorically stated.

No, it means that 20% (or more) individuals have deviated from monogamy at one point or another. You are leaving out that they were in a monogamous relationship in the first place.

Given that around half of marriages end in separation and divorce, I would suggest that the idea of life-long monogamy really doesn't work regardless of the moral arguments for it.

I did not restrict my remarks to lifelong monogamy. "Serial" monogamy means that if a relationship exists, there is an expectation that it is monogamous. It doesn't follow that an individual is tied to that relationship for life, and divorce has been normal to a greater or lesser extent in most societies.

It isn't about morals, it is just about observing how people actually behave.

Who mentioned morals? I didn't. Generalised observations about how humans generally behave is precisely what I'm basing my argument on.

Personally my view is that infidelity and adultery is wrong and I certainly don't believe that all humans can have 'limitless and guiltless sex' (I don't know where you got that from).

You wicked monogamist you! Grin

You may feel that we 'have to conform to societal codes of conduct' but the reality is that many people don't.

Some people don't. They're generally in prison, in some other sort of institution or completely isolated. The fact that you believe adultery is wrong shows that you also conform to a societal code of conduct. Or do you really believe that you came to this conclusion without being influenced by any other person in any way?

Blokenamechangesexboard · 18/12/2020 11:28

@AverageGuy

From what little I've read of evolutionary theory, it's clearly very imprecise. I have a book on my shelves called "Why is Sex Fun" by Jared Diamond. He makes all manner of interesting observations on why human anatomy is as it is, but he freely admits that it's all speculative, so I would say that what men or women are "designed" to do doesn't really get us very far.

But more importantly, it's all absolutely beside the point. If we take any species at all, and judge what is normal for that species, we simply observe what its members do. And for humans, that's monogamy with some exceptions. For humans, sex plays a role not just in procreation but pair bonding. It's ironic that you decry the role of religion (also a natural phenomenon, from the honest atheist's point of view) but identify the main purpose of sex as procreation. That's the traditional Catholic view and one not generally shared by other forms of Christianity or other religions.

It's not unusual for males and females of other species to copulate with multiple partners - why should we be any different? Because society tells us we shouldn't. It's "bad", "forbidden", "wrong", "dirty" and other such terms - particularly for women

Yes, but why does society traditionally tell us this? There's nothing new about people questioning this view, and no shortage of discussion on it. There are all sorts of reasons I might cite, but one is that a feature of humans is that we fall in love, and that tends to involve exclusivity. We also love our own children more than other people's children, and that creates an obvious impetus towards fidelity.

IMHO, Religion (generally written by men, you'll notice), has forced monogamy upon us as a race.

I apologise for being abrasive, but this is nonsense. If elephants exhibited group conduct that looked like some sort of religious service, no one would be saying that was unnatural for elephants. The idea that humans in a state of nature get to do what they like, like the Polynesians (before Europeans introduced a devastating clap epidemic) ignores the fact that humans are social and always have their rules about such things. Whether or not those rules are based on belief in God, gods or some other kind of divine force is irrelevant.

All this comes from the misconception that because plenty of monogamous relationships fail, humans aren't designed for relationships. It would be more accurate to say that humans, especially if offspring are involved, are most likely to be in stable monogamous relationships that will last a very long time unless something goes wrong.

I've never seen any good evidence that things like hotwifing and cuckoldry are statistically important so I don't think that disproves my point. To be honest, I think people like the idea of other people getting up to that sort of thing because it's daring and in theory exciting. And I think that can lead people to think that it's normal, when in fact it is (as a matter of fact, not as moral judgment) not normal.

Arnoldthecat · 18/12/2020 11:31

I've known a good number of married men or men in so called committed relationships who have been doing a bit on the side. For many men ,if they are tempted enough ,they will fail. I cant speak for women but the men are not shagging eachother so they must be shagging other women, a proportion of whom will be married.

noego · 18/12/2020 16:03

I'm non monogamous because firstly I don't believe in the concept of monogamy and secondly I love sex.
If I meet someone who I have sexual chemistry with then believe me I have no hesitation in pursuing that experience. Actually I think it is inhuman not too!!
I love it all, the thrill of the chase, the seduction, the intimate moments, the experience of being with someone new. It's exciting!
End of really!!

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