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My child was hit by a pen, thrown by a teacher

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Tiredallthetimelaura · 23/05/2025 20:29

So my daughter who is in year 8 was in a lesson when her teacher 'cold called' her a question. My daughter responded she didn't know the answer and the teacher then threw a highlighter pen at her, hitting her on the arm. The teacher then did it again to another student, also hitting them on the arm. We have reached level 2 of a complaint, but it's always investigated by management within the academy. The school keep down playing what happened and not investigating what we ask. This teacher is still teaching, although my daughter isn't going in on the day of that lesson, which is greatly affecting her attendance. The school said they would move my daughter so she could do a different lesson (double Maths or double English), but we said no! This feels like a punishment to our daughter. She wants to do that lesson, just not with that teacher... and we agree.
Any advice on what/how the school legally should be handling this? Happy to answer any further questions Xx

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YourAzureEagle · 24/05/2025 08:55

Tiredallthetimelaura · 23/05/2025 20:42

The teacher states it was 'a game', and the school have jumped on that excuse. They keep missing the point that the pen was thrown after my daughter answered the question and the same for the other child. They just keep down playing it! They acknowledge a pen was thrown and it did hit her but the statements of the other children in that class don't all match up so therefore this is not that serious, blah blah blah.
I collected my own statements from kids in that class and it's actually a very different story. I presented these to the last person investigating, but he seems to only really acknowledge the school statements, including the teachers!
It's a cover up! But I don't know where to go from here!

Well, I throw exercise books back to my students, frisbee style. You need to get a grip OP - no one was hurt, the teacher is presumably doing a good job of teaching your child.
No wonder we have teachers leaving in droves, in part because parents can, in some schools, be such a pain in the butt.
When I was at school in the 90's we were regularly pelted with the then wooden board rubber as a punishment for talking out of turn - and guess what, my parents (and others) didn't complain, we got a good education, we are still alive!

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 24/05/2025 08:57

Tiredallthetimelaura · 23/05/2025 23:28

Ok, I've been trying to read all the comments, but everyone is asking the same thing, so here goes...
My daughter went into her music class, sat down and recieved her book. She had been writing in her book for maybe 10 minutes when the teacher cold called her and said 'What is Blues music?' This was out of the blue, zero lead up and clearly not a game. My daughter answered she didn't no the answer, as she hasn't been taught this due to having a cover teacher for the last 6 months. The music teacher had been in her home country for all that time and had just returned back to her post. AFTER answering that she didn't know, the teacher picked up the highlighter pen from her desk and threw it at her. It hit her on the arm and came completely out of the blue!
As per the schools response - yes of course I've asked them to explain what game consists of throwing anything at anyone but highlighted its worse that this 'game' means you can after the answer is given. They can't answer. This question is constantly avoided. They've said the game is cold calling, but other than that nothing!
Outcome - I don't know what Outcome I want because I'm not sure where I can go, which is why I asked here. Hoping to get some sensible answers from teachers.
Absolutely no one should have anything thrown at them! It's irrelevant if it hurt her or not, and to be ridiculed that she was shook up and embarrassed!?! Anyone heard of safeguarding? She goes to school to be taught not to have something thrown at her! She should feel safe - Duty of care!?!

The thing is, the outcome you want is very important here and probably why you’re going round in (frustrating) circles .

Would an apology and explanation actually be enough alongside abiding by your DD’s adjustments/care plan (like no cold calling)? Would it also help DD to restore trust and start working on rebuilding the relationship? This is what should’ve happened as soon as , without it having to take weeks and escalating complaints and everyone whipping themselves up into a frenzy.

It is not just a reasonable and achievable outcome, but one that focuses on a positive relationship going forward.

scotstars · 24/05/2025 08:57

What is the outcome you are hoping for? To be honest it sounds like it's been handled badly all round but your dramatic language and actions ie the traumatised, keeping her off school, gathering witness statements gives the impression you are not prepared to move past it for the sake of your daughters education.
The only person who is going to lose out is your daughter most schools only have 1 or 2 music teachers so it's not as easy as just switch the teacher they are usually fully timetabled.

noblegiraffe · 24/05/2025 08:58

the teacher is presumably doing a good job of teaching your child.

No, the teacher was in her home country for the last six months. A little tidbit dropped in that was presumably supposed to get more of a reaction than it has.

Flashahah · 24/05/2025 08:59

noblegiraffe · 24/05/2025 08:58

the teacher is presumably doing a good job of teaching your child.

No, the teacher was in her home country for the last six months. A little tidbit dropped in that was presumably supposed to get more of a reaction than it has.

I had noticed that as well..

It was quite telling. It

CloudyPortal · 24/05/2025 08:59

AnxiousOCDMum · 24/05/2025 00:10

So if a student was tossing pens around that would be fine would it? Obviously not. Teachers should be modelling the behaviour they want from their students and under NO circumstances, should they ever be throwing anything! Wtf

If they flicked it messing around they'd likely get a warning. If they did it as part of a game at break then it's not going to be an issue.
It might have been slightly poor judgement and an apology, but definitely not worthy of skipping lessons and full out complaints.

MinervatheGreat · 24/05/2025 09:00

mynamesnotsam · 23/05/2025 20:45

Honestly, I can't see why you're making such a fuss. When I was at school in the late 80s, teachers throwning chalk and board rubbers at pupils were were regular occurrences and we all behaved a lot better. No one was traumatised.

This ^^
I was at school in the 60’s & 70’s. It was a regular occurrence that blackboard rubbers were thrown at boys’ heads! (It was usually boys who were being disruptive.)
We just used to roll our eyes, the boys would snigger and life moved on.
Im not saying it was a good thing but never did us any harm. 🤷‍♀️

Fingernailbiter · 24/05/2025 09:00

SwanOfThoseThings · 24/05/2025 08:43

If you threw a pen at a colleague in anger at work, I can't see it going down very well; at the very least, the pen-thrower would get a warning. Let's not forget, this teacher was 'at work' when she threw the pen.

You don’t know it was "in anger".
It wasn't done just to the OP's daughter, so there is no question of victimisation.
The OP chose to "investigate" this terrible crime in a ludicrous way.
The OP raised it with the school; personally I wouldn’t even have done that, but the school has investigated and offered that her daughter need not be taught by that teacher any more (because she apparently doesn’t "feel safe" - how ridiculous!)
The school rightly cannot tell OP details of their investigation or conversations with the teacher.
I don’t understand what the OP wants as the outcome. The teacher to be fired?
It's all a huge overreaction.

As for the world of work: the relationships are completely different. I wouldn't expect a work colleague to tell me to stop staring out of the window and get on with my work, or stop chatting and pay attention, either. But there will be things that happen at work that OP's daughter doesn’t like, and will feel aggrieved about, and she is being encouraged to think that when such things happen she should make an enormous fuss every time.

pollyglot · 24/05/2025 09:01

So OP has chickened out? No answers to the questions that have been repeatedly put to her.

Oioisavaloy27 · 24/05/2025 09:02

Flashahah · 24/05/2025 08:59

I had noticed that as well..

It was quite telling. It

Ah I missed that bit and yes very telling cough Reform cough cough, sadly the teacher could have been in her home country as perhaps she had a relative that was very poorly and needed looking after op.

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 24/05/2025 09:02

Bikergran · 24/05/2025 08:50

Cannot believe the number of people taking this seriously. Think yourself lucky you weren't the target of a heavy wooden blackboard eraser lobbed with deadly accuracy by our geography teacher!! None of us were scarred for life emotionally, and if we'd whinged to our parents, we'd have been told we probably deserved it for being cheeky or not paying attention.

We were. We also got rulers/sticks on the palm of the hand(often leaving marks). The thing is, it was expected, it happened to everyone at some point or another and it was a thing so not particularly upsetting or humiliating when it happened. Sometimes it was even funny.My parents did complain though when a male teacher slapped me over the face in front of everyone. That WAS upsetting and humiliating even if I wasn’t scarred for life.

Fieldsaview · 24/05/2025 09:05

AthWat · 24/05/2025 01:03

I did wonder. Buit it's not like there aren't plenty of people here who say things like that in all seriousness, so, not knowing "Fieldsaview", I can't be sure. Can you?

Edited

I was joking.

I thought about saying that last night but then I saw how cuckoo some of these responses on here have become and I no longer felt safe so I thought I'd leave it.

In fact I stopped reading every 5th comment as a proportionate response.

Bringmeahigherlove · 24/05/2025 09:05

Your daughter replying I don’t know because we have had a cover teacher for 6 months is rude. You and your daughter have no idea what has been going on in that teachers life. She could have just said she didn’t know the answer, the add on is rude.

For all you know she could have suffered a family bereavement or had poor mental health. She doesn’t need to be reminded that she hasn’t been there to teach her students by an entitled child. She already knows.

I would have been tempted to throw the pen myself!

Ddakji · 24/05/2025 09:12

I haven’t read everyone’s comments but I find it very peculiar that teachers are lobbing objects around a classroom. Must ask DD if this has ever happened in any of her classes.

Something about the OP’s writing makes me think she might not be British, so perhaps that’s why she doesn’t have quite such a laissez-faire attitude to an object being chucked at her DD by a teacher, not having been though the charms of 1970s and 80s British schooling.

Viviennemary · 24/05/2025 09:15

mynamesnotsam · 23/05/2025 20:45

Honestly, I can't see why you're making such a fuss. When I was at school in the late 80s, teachers throwning chalk and board rubbers at pupils were were regular occurrences and we all behaved a lot better. No one was traumatised.

We thought it was quite good fun. But it did quieten us down.

Newgirls · 24/05/2025 09:15

Your daughter will be happier if you get back to normal asap. Teacher has apologised. It won’t happen again will it?

that old saying - you can be right or happy but not always both. It sounds like you won’t be happy until you get the teacher sacked but that will scar your kid for life - that will be what everyone at school remembers her for. Don’t do that to her.

Riaanna · 24/05/2025 09:20

Based on the subject there won’t be other teachers available. What are you expecting them to do about that? Do you want the teacher fired? What is it you want?

BunnyLake · 24/05/2025 09:21

It’s not ideal by today’s sensibilities but your dd being shook up and the whole school talking about it (must be the blandest school in the country) all seems very dramatic. Do you think your dd has been influenced by your drama llama tendencies over the years?

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 24/05/2025 09:22

Newgirls · 24/05/2025 09:15

Your daughter will be happier if you get back to normal asap. Teacher has apologised. It won’t happen again will it?

that old saying - you can be right or happy but not always both. It sounds like you won’t be happy until you get the teacher sacked but that will scar your kid for life - that will be what everyone at school remembers her for. Don’t do that to her.

Has the teacher apologised? Must’ve missed that bit.

TheOccupier · 24/05/2025 09:22

Tiredallthetimelaura · 23/05/2025 20:47

It was a female teacher. She threw it at her the way you would throw a Frisbee. It didn't leave a mark as she had a blazer on, but emotionally she was shook up and embarrassed! The whole school ended up talking about it.
Regarding moving lessons - this happened in a music lesson, she wants to continue to do her music lesson. Why should she have to move to do English or Maths, as she did nothing wrong. Nightmare in covering teachers or not, the teacher should have not thrown something at my daughter, hitting her.

Guess this is what happens when the snowflake generation gets old enough to have snowflake children. Is this a state school whose time you're wasting with this complete non-issue? Shame on you.

crisplist · 24/05/2025 09:23

It feels like you are the one emotionally shook up.

Anewdawnanewname · 24/05/2025 09:24

You’re expecting too much. School aren’t going to remove this teacher from her lessons when it’s easier to move your daughter from the lessons. Whether you think it’s fair or not, it won’t happen. So you need to reevaluate what you want to happen. Something like the school agreeing to remove throwing things as part of questioning unless it’s a soft ball etc. You can keep pushing it, but you’ll get nowhere. LADO won’t go further with it, and your statements won’t count for anything. So as I say, you need to shift your expectations of what will come from this.

Blueskiesandrainbows · 24/05/2025 09:26

OP I think you were very out of order to do your survey asking parents to ask their children’s opinion, you really had no right to do that and should have left it to the school to sort out, it was not up to you set up a vendetta on the teacher.
All that you have done by doing that is made your daughter the focus of humiliation, how embarrassing for her to eventually have to go back into that classroom knowing what you’ve done. A quiet word with the school was all that was needed, the pen touched her blazer on the arm, it’s really not the crime of the century. The longer you drag this on the worse it is for your daughter, I hope you take advice from the many posts on here telling you to let this go. There’s every chance this post will soon be on Facebook or The Daily Mail and it’s so identifiable from all that you’ve said. Move on quickly and quietly or your daughter will be the one to suffer.

Blueyshift · 24/05/2025 09:27

Flashahah · 24/05/2025 08:00

Another example of a poster in OPs camp being highly emotive and dramatic.

We can add “kink” to the ridiculous words used now.

Camp. There should not be any camp.
Don't throw objects at people.

A restorative could nip this in the bud. The school haven't dealt with it well by the sounds of it.

witwatwoo · 24/05/2025 09:30

The school has dealt with it fine, it’s op that wants blood

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