Difficulties with schools, various discussion's

[SharpLeader]

I'm just putting it out there, civil discussion's. Secondary Schools are not supporting our children, with the expectancy to comply with all their Rules and Sanctions while some staff do not, where does the superiority come from? What do you search for when looking for schools? Fighting a system for children to be educated. What rules/sanctions do you disagree with? Whats your experience?

If a staff member was racially abusive to a child then that’s obviously not OK. There will be an investigation and if it is proven to have happened then yes there will be sanctions. You are unlikely to find out what they are tho @SharpLeader .

Wrt the intimidation - what form did this take? You just need to stand your ground and make your position clear. Tbf tho schools do hear a lot of nonsense from pupils and sometimes parents sadly so they need to investigate carefully.

You evidence this to the school by following their complaints procedure.

The procedure/policy is there to provide an objective, time bound process.

Have you followed the school complaints procedure through all stages @SharpLeader ?

Government guidance on complaining

Example school complaints procedure

But staff are different from students. They are subject to different rules. They don’t wear a uniform; they are allowed to talk in class; they have free periods; they are allowed to leave the site; they can wear lots of jewellery; they get to decide who sits where in their classroom.

No they should not be abusive, or aggressive, or racist. But the sanctions they face for such behaviour will also be different.

Correct it is not. It was proven. Written report detailing the Teacher was spoken to, the Teacher was of high standard, it was out of character, it is on report. Teacher continues day to day as normal. This situation has moved forward for the better for the child.

It is different but it should match their behaviour.

If it makes you feel any better kids aren't expelled for Racism

That sounds exactly like the school followed procedure?

So you are saying this is resolved, evidenced that the teacher did do it.

Teacher continues day to day as normal.

What do you think should happen?

Remember any disciplinary actions are confidential, even when recorded as part of the employment history.
Any implications for future job applications or disclosure through references are also confidential ( between teacher, leaders, governors (those involved) HR and a future school).
As a parent you are not entitled to know confidential details.

SchooL/LA/trust will have a staff discipline policy which follows teaching standards and employment law.
Samply disciplinary policy.

As I said above, would your employer share your disciplinary record with others?

If this is serious misconduct then, also above, this is made public.

yes I agree with others, sounds as tho the school followed procedure.

What do you want to have happened?

You don't know (and shouldn't know) what kind of warning the teacher is facing. Are you saying you think they should be sacked for this? I highly doubt that a student would be permanently excluded for a single out of character racist remark. Obviously I am not in any way condoning racism.

I have concerns on accountability and fairness. If students were racist it's immediate or severe consequence's. Being in a position of authority and protecting reputations lies an imbalance. Equal accountability and Zero tolerance spring to mind.

What do you think are the immediate and severe consequences are for a student who is racist?

Yes as Noble says, what do you think are the immediate and severe consequences? No way would they be excluded for that IME.

Racism from a child isn’t treated immediately and severely in schools.

There is accountability and zero tolerance for both, pupil and teacher.

The discilplinary policy, complaints procedure, teaching standards etc ensure this is in place for staff.

The behaviour policy/discipline policy ensure this is in place for students.

I think you are confusing the two.
The policies apply equally and fairly to their own, pupil and staff.

Would you like to share more about your concern's?

So what punishment fits a teacher who's discriminating and racially abused a child?

You sound bonkers. If an adult teacher has had any kind of disciplinary action it wouldn't be shared with you and is none of your business.

So do you!

If you choose to be vague about the circumstances surrounding your concern, other than to say that it was racial discrimination from a teacher to a pupil, then it’s difficult to know what you want as a resolution.

Any action taken if a discriminatory remark was made by a member of staff, would be taken by those in a position to do so.

That would depend on the school’s policies surely. And on other factors such as previous issues, if any, standing warning on teacher's file, if any; really it’s not possible for us to say. And it’s not really for you to know tbh.

Clearly such an act should be recognised and sanctioned in some way; from the little you have said, it sounds as tho it was. It’s not for us to say what should happen as there are so many variables.

No they dont
Its very simple OP
Say what happened and what your issue is any people might actually be able to help you

And accept @SharpLeader that policies and procedures are in place, to be followed for pupils and for staff. Dealt with.

Outcomes are confidential. We have asked ‘what do you think should happen to the teacher?’ You haven't answered.

You seem to be implying that there are underhand practices which let teachers racially abuse pupils with no consequences. Policy and government guidance shows this is not the case.

What do you want? Public flogging, named on the school newsletter, employment record shared on Facebook?

Surely, you have an outcome and resolution as that is the point of the complaints policy. Which stage of this did you get to? What was the resolution?

Teachers are rarely dismissed for their behaviour's such as Racism. It highlight's a double standard in accountability.
Zero Tolerance, policies and guidelines everyone should be expected to adhere to them, why not apply those same strict consequences on students and not on teachers? Again I come back to an imbalance and unfairness, it simply isn't right, that is my opinion and I'm thankful to hearing all your views 😍

Teachers are rarely dismissed for their behaviours such as racism

And are students? Honestly? Not in my experience unless in some way it is exacerbated (for example, linked to violence or carrying weapons).

Genuinely I do not understand why you think (as you seem to) that the same sanctions should be applied to staff as to students. You must see that the situations are different?

Oh just spit it out!! Tell us what has happened properly then we can pass an opinion!