What would you think if this was your local state option

[Rosienose]

Results for GCSE Maths and English last year

English & Maths Grade 4+ 75%
Maths grade 4+ 82%
English grade 4+ 80%

English & Maths grade 7+ 17%
Maths grade 7+ 26%
English grade 7+ 29%

That is a ridiculous take on matters and is absolutely not what VAT is designed for.

Any progressive government would incentivise private education. Many countries give parents the equivalent state school spend to put towards fees or offer huge income tax relief to encourage more people to use such schools.

Unfortunately we are left with one of the worst ideologically driven governments in the western world. We have become a global laughing stock.

Many Labour voters don’t realise they are supporting matters getting worse for themselves in a misguided attempt to attack others who are in a better position than they are. I know who the winners in all this will be and it won’t be the tax payer or users of state schools.

You appear to have ignored “point of use” which makes your comment irrelevant.

I'm not a Labour voter, but I do agree with this policy.

You are living in a bubble.

But I get that you're upset at having to pay more, and therefore spitting feathers.

You said 'point of need' which I'd argue has a slightly different implication but OK, if you like. It's highly, highly relevant that the country has a population who have been educated to a universal basic standard and if you don't understand that this is the purpose of a state education system then I can't help you.

I am super excited to hear how you would intend to recompense child-free adults for the state education that they do not directly use 'at point of use / need'. Obviously HMRC would have to claim it back if they went on to have a state-educated child. It would be very tricky to calculate the appropriate relief if business owners were to make profits due to the labour of state-educated staff. Gosh. What a pickle.

I can only presume you are being deliberately obtuse.

You have been sold a pup.

I’m sorry @Rosienose that this has swished into a private vs state debate a bit.

My post was intended to respond to the PP who wanted private school outcomes (and tbh good outcomes even for a private school) from all or most or some state schools. That's surely impossible. 70% of students gaining grade 7+ in English and maths is not gonna happen in a state comp.

I was not intending to start the VAT hare or indeed any other debate. I still maintain that I would expect better outcomes (= roughly but not only higher exam grades) for DC if they were privately educated (otherwise why pay?) but I am not in any way saying that state education is not good enough. All my DC were state educated and I am happy with that.

If we are going to compare obtusity, we might wonder about the motivations of someone who seemingly has no intention of using a state school blundering onto a thread to declare that a set of data in excess of national outcomes across all measures is 'appalling', and in so doing betraying their ignorance of a) comprehensive schools and b) the general purpose of the state education system.

Given that you have now twice refused to engage with the substance of my posts I can only conclude that you're here for a little provocation and wish you a pleasant day.

Echoing @clary's apologies for my part in the derail, @Rosienose. The data you have posted is decent for a comprehensive school.

PS @Rosienose the 2024 national data has been delayed but should be available in the next few weeks so you will have more up-to-date figures to help inform your choice.

Despite the sway into state vs private debate this has been a really helpful thread for me, thanks for everyone’s feedback. Will keep my eyes peeled for the 2024 data.

i personally think that state and private (would even include state grammars with private) are incomparable for results purposes.

I think it’s very similar to latest set of results for my local comp- broadly 21% 9-7 for eng language and 26% 9/7 for maths. Overall 9-7 is 31% largely due to science propping everything else up. The school is pretty pleased with the results but I don’t love it but it is above national average. The better comp that we won’t get into is 40% 9-7 and better for English and maths.

You just can’t compare to the selective private schools. It’s just a completely different beast and completely different cohort.
Private school 1 (v selective): 72% grade 9
Private school 2: (selective) 84% 9/7
Private school 3: (least selective) maths 90% 9/7 or English 71% 9-7

Have a good dig into the results for your county/borough. E.g. if you live somewhere like Shropshire, this would be one the best performing schools. https://www.compare-school-performance.service.gov.uk/schools-by-type?step=default&table=schools&region=893&geographic=la&for=secondary
But if you live in Kingston, one of the worst. https://www.compare-school-performance.service.gov.uk/schools-by-type?step=default&table=schools&region=314&geographic=la&for=secondary

Much better than our local schools, students still went on to study vet med, med, dentistry and some got in to Oxbridge.