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11+ 2025 support thread

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AquaPeer · 02/11/2024 15:24

Hi all,
I really enjoyed reading previous 11 plus support threads and I think we’re probably ready for a new cohort of year 5s start their prep?

so I thought I’d set up one for next year. All welcome!

we are trying for dame Alice Owen. DD currently has group tutoring once a week but we are looking to increase to twice a week before Xmas.

i am trying to get her to do a cgt GL 15 min tests a day very unsuccessfully! This half term is going to be all about embedding routine 😀

look forward to meeting other parents preparing

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Magnificentkitteh · 23/09/2025 07:57

Ps I've no idea about your catchment checker, v sorry. Is it something like "safe walking distance time school?" Ours is just as the crow flies

penguinumbrella · 23/09/2025 07:59

For those panicking about local comps, whilst recognising the fear is real, I would encourage you to look on locrating. One of the free options is a link to the summary of parents feedback via Ofsted for each school. We found the lowest score for a school in our area re:'would you recommend this school to other parents?' was maybe 88%.

My son will likely do well academically wherever he goes; my biggest fear really is eldest falling into a bad crowd but let's be honest, that can happen in any school and there's certainly a fear for me about my son going to an all boys school with all the kids being told they're the best of the best, against the backdrop of the current misogynistic climate and social media influencers. So, broadly, I accept that negative social influences can happen at any school... Having now visited the 'worse' school locally, and spoken to some students (as well as being astounded at the new year 7s acting as guides!), I feel much less stressed about our local options. I'd definitely prefer an academic school for him but if we end up with our 6th choice, we'll manage.

Re: catchment. I've used chat gpt asking to measure the distance using ordnance survey grids, which is what our local authority claims to use.

Schoolhelp23 · 23/09/2025 08:12

I'm not sure I understand why some schools say you MUST list them at 1st if you want a place. Is it just in case the school you list above them might offer too?

AquaPeer · 23/09/2025 08:14

Schoolhelp23 · 23/09/2025 08:12

I'm not sure I understand why some schools say you MUST list them at 1st if you want a place. Is it just in case the school you list above them might offer too?

Yes. We have a local want to be super head who is obsessed by this misinformation “if you don’t list us first you won’t get a place”

I’ve even started to worry about it myself even though I know it’s untrue- it’s our nearest school and I’m putting it 3rd as a true “banker”

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Schoolhelp23 · 23/09/2025 08:18

So if I have a school that I absolutely know she will get into based on admissions criteria, but not massively keen and have other long shots that I'd prefer, I should list it as 6th?

Magnificentkitteh · 23/09/2025 08:21

Yes I've heard this said by our head too. She double downed on it and said it because she had a deal with the council to flex PAN to meet any parental wish for a girls' school but even then it makes no real sense because they'd still have to accommodate the people allocated to them using the admissions criteria first.

Actually thinking about it she perhaps said that if you put it top you'd be guaranteed a place which is perhaps slightly different, but either way I reckon if I didn't put it on the form at all I could still get straight in on the waiting list as it's half empty. And it's a lovely school in many ways, with good exam stats, but these things can become a vicious circle quite quickly.

Magnificentkitteh · 23/09/2025 08:22

Schoolhelp23 · 23/09/2025 08:18

So if I have a school that I absolutely know she will get into based on admissions criteria, but not massively keen and have other long shots that I'd prefer, I should list it as 6th?

Yes

Schoolhelp23 · 23/09/2025 08:31

Thank you! Learned so much on this thread 😀

Lamarais · 23/09/2025 08:34

I was told the schools don’t find out what order you ranked them in so I think it’s rubbish to say that you have to put a certain school first

Travelmad777 · 23/09/2025 08:48

You must put them in your preferred rank order. The schools only get told that you are interested in a place at their school, not the order you placed them in. Placing a school higher up the order does not mean you have an advantage over someone who places it lower. It is all based on the admissions criteria.

Travelmad777 · 23/09/2025 08:48

You must put them in your preferred rank order. The schools only get told that you are interested in a place at their school, not the order you placed them in. Placing a school higher up the order does not mean you have an advantage over someone who places it lower. It is all based on the admissions criteria.

penguinumbrella · 23/09/2025 08:59

Travelmad777 · 23/09/2025 08:48

You must put them in your preferred rank order. The schools only get told that you are interested in a place at their school, not the order you placed them in. Placing a school higher up the order does not mean you have an advantage over someone who places it lower. It is all based on the admissions criteria.

Yes, this. The schools are not told where you've ranked them.

Magnificentkitteh · 23/09/2025 09:03

The only thing I would really test yourself on is whether you really do prefer a school with a convoluted journey and no local network links but marginally better stats to the one down the road where their friends are going. This is what I'm wrestling with with dd1. She's older now (14) so the school run is less of an issue but aside from pure logistics I do take comfort from the fact I know which park she's hanging out in, and it's opposite my friend"s house, and I know the mum who's hosting the party from brownies etc. I didn't realise quite how much I valued this until I nearly moved her last term to an academy in Shoreditch which is amazing on paper but is effectively someone else's local community school. That's not to say I wouldn't go further afield - these grammars are a hike - but it needs to be truly worth it.

DolphinOnASkateboard · 23/09/2025 10:52

The way it was explained to me on another forum, copied and pasted in full with emphasis added to a relevant bit:

Your child will be offered a place at your highest-ranked school for which places are available.

The system essentially sorts all the applications into a priorty order for each school according to the school's admission policy (all of which have to be published and which CANNOT include things like "need to be first choice on the CAF"). Then it fills places according to the order in which the parents' ranked them.

Let's say you're one of 500 people who apply for Schools A, B and C, with everyone ranking them in that order. School A is long way away from where you live you're outside catchment and loads of other children live closer to it, so you're in 400th place on their list. You're still outside catchment for School B but it's much closer than School A, so you're in 125th on their list. School C is at the end of your road, so you're 10th on their list - but it's in special measures, regularly has the fire brigade outside and recently had to start screwing down chairs to stop kids throwing them. You'd rather not send your kids there.

Each school has 150 places, so the admissions authority works its way down the list of applicants in rank order and offers places according to the priority given by parents. School A is wildly oversubscribed, so is quickly able fill all 150 places with people who put it as their first choice. With not enough places for everyone who put it as their first choice there's not even any need to look at who put it as their second choice - this is what some heads mean when they say "if you want a place here you must put us as your first choice".

There is room for your child at Schools B and C, so you are offered a place according to your rank order, which in this case School B even though School C is much closer.

Thinking of trying to game the system by only putting down School A? Big mistake. If you cannot be offered a place at the one school you select, you will be allocated a place the closest school which has places available. In this case it would be School C, but it could easily end up being School D, which is somehow even worse and requires a two-hour bus trip each way.

The single most important thing to remember when filling out the CAF form - the ONLY important thing to remember! - is to simply rank the schools in your preferred order. Even if it is exceptionally unlikely that you will get a place at your first choice, you should still put it as your first choice. The system doesn't know your inner thoughts or motivations, it will simply do its best to place your child in the highest-ranked school it can manage. And if you don't want your child to go to a specific school, don't put it on your form - just make sure you have a realistic chance of getting a place at one of the schools you DO choose, otherwise the choice will be taken out of your hands.

Magnificentkitteh · 23/09/2025 11:05

I'm sorry to say I think that summary is wrong and misleading in some respects

Travelmad777 · 23/09/2025 11:14

Magnificentkitteh · 23/09/2025 11:05

I'm sorry to say I think that summary is wrong and misleading in some respects

I agree.

If you choose school B as your 6th choice and someone else chooses it as their 1st choice.

If you are ranked within the top 150 per the admissions criteria and the person who chose it as their 1st is ranked 200. You will get the place at school B before them if you are not offered any of your choices 1-5.

DolphinOnASkateboard · 23/09/2025 11:18

Magnificentkitteh · 23/09/2025 11:05

I'm sorry to say I think that summary is wrong and misleading in some respects

I am very happy to be corrected

DolphinOnASkateboard · 23/09/2025 11:19

Travelmad777 · 23/09/2025 11:14

I agree.

If you choose school B as your 6th choice and someone else chooses it as their 1st choice.

If you are ranked within the top 150 per the admissions criteria and the person who chose it as their 1st is ranked 200. You will get the place at school B before them if you are not offered any of your choices 1-5.

Yes - but that's implicit in the whole "each school only has 150 places" bit - they will work through their priority order until full.

Magnificentkitteh · 23/09/2025 11:20

Yes it's sort of complicated to imagine but you'd be ranked applying the admission criteria for all the schools you have applied for. If you are within the top (say) 150 of your first choice you'd drop out of the running for your preferences below even if they're nearer and someone further down the list would then get a look in. But if you aren't allocated a place at your first choice school you remain in the running for your second choice with equal priority to everyone who put it first. And so on.

Magnificentkitteh · 23/09/2025 11:21

There is no fixed allocation until it all shakes down, so you effectively bump 1st choice preferences out of the way if you live nearer to them

penguinumbrella · 23/09/2025 11:29

Our head suggested we consider March 3rd as 'FIRST offer day' because there will be so much movement on the waiting list.

Magnificentkitteh · 23/09/2025 11:55

Yes back to the 11+ I will feel massively boosted if DD gets through round 1 of Latymer or HBS regardless of where she is. Looking at the stats for Latymer I wonder why they even bother with the English phase because unless I have misunderstood pretty much all the top 700 get a place eventually once non catchment people and people who have put other schools as higher preferences etc drop out. I'm not sure HB is quite the same but I think it is a bit similar.

Coolparent · 23/09/2025 11:57

SFV · 22/09/2025 20:37

Good luck! I'm not pushing her at all, as I think that with her 1st round rank, the chances of her getting through after round 2 are slim. So I'm trying to balance the workload with the realistic chances of actually getting in - if that makes sense. But by the same token, I want her to give it a decent go! Such an awkward position. So at the weekend we did 2 English papers and 2 maths papers - nothing more. And now during the week, I'll see if she's up for doing 1 paper after school - either maths or English.

@SFV We’ve also done EPP papers over the weekend. My son finds English very hard and can’t be bothered to write. I can hardly do any papers during the week now and the exam is on Sat! I reckon we can only do this much. It does seem that DAO Eng n Maths papers are very tough (based on whatever I’ve read and researched). Fingers crossed for Sat. Which slot is your child in on Sat? Mine is in the afternoon slot.

Pipsquiggle · 23/09/2025 12:23

@AquaPeer please could you start a new thread and post the link in this one?

AquaPeer · 23/09/2025 12:25

Oh my goodness! Didn’t realise we were anywhere near full! Will do now 😄

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