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Ridiculous uniform policy for secondary

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freakinthespreadsheets · 12/07/2024 13:07

I live in a fairly poor working class area, former mining village. I don't even have secondary age kids but this has got me riled up.
The local secondary has been taken over by a MAT and introduced a new uniform. They say that the blazer, PE kit and jumper must be logo'd from the supplier (which i think is pretty standard everywhere) but also that every item MUST be Trutex branded. Shirts, trousers and the skirt (which you can't even find a dupe for if you wanted to as it's a silly tartan design). No supermarket brands allowed. The boys trousers must be sturdy or slim fit, girls can be slim fit only (so "fuck you" to girls with thick thighs then??)
They also insist the trousers must not be skin tight fitting and the skirt must be knee length, or detentions will be issued (but they're only allowing one design/fit, from one supplier, so if it doesn't fit a taller/chunkier teen then what are parents to do?).
Not to mention the fabrics are scratchy and kids with sensitive skin (I was one, and Mum had to order my uniforms online from a place that did skinkind fabrics) who might not get on with the plasticy Teflon fabrics.
I find myself fuming on behalf of these parents and teens - as a curvy, tall female with sensitive skin this would NOT do for me at all! Not even sure what my question is, I guess am I being unreasonable in my thinking that this is OTT and doesn't follow the new government guidance (which I know isn't fully compulsory but still)

Edit to add : in a poor working class area, to set a kid up to attend the local high school looks to be around £350 for uniform - the prices are awful, £35 for a skirt etc

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Natsku · 17/07/2024 16:17

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 14:52

@Natsku It is not a matter of experience. The numbers of sales in £$€ of branded merchandise for the specific age groups and countries speaks for itself. Somebody is buying it in those countries and I recon they also wear it

Doesn't mean they're wearing them in schools

Natsku · 17/07/2024 16:17

And I really do not see children and teens in expensive brands when I see them round town

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 16:28

Natsku · 17/07/2024 16:17

Doesn't mean they're wearing them in schools

and they cherish it by looking at it on the mantelpiece? And they purposefully dress down to school in rugs. Yeah...

Branded clothing is not only evening wear. 2004 Mean Girls movie and now follow up second part - all about it. Queen Bee and her guardians. Every teen movie talks about rich, popular kids in branded clothes. Art mimics life. Life mimics art. And this is very laid down US when it comes to clothing. In Europe oh god...
I was a teen in a non-uniform school. I remember how girls were endlessly babbling about who and what is wearing. Kids can be mean.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 16:56

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 08:22

You can @SummerDays2020 but like sports icons and music icons, DC follow designers and brands. It’s not wrong to do that. It’s just not what you think is ok. We spent money on brands at birthdays and Christmas and presents for exceptional exam results. I did not want these paraded at school but I’m never going to say DC should not be interested. DD designed clothes at school and, although has now changed career, she’s still very fashionable and stylish. A fashion leader, not a follower. It’s nothing to apologise for. Usually this interest starts quite young as do other interests. However it’s not something I would support on a daily basis where a uniform is better. Non uniform days can be very competitive by the way. Just because parents and your dc don’t notice, others absolutely do!

But I've never said it's wrong to do that. All I and others have been saying is when they can wear whatever they like at school they don't tend to wear brands or see it as a fashion show or competition as you think they would.

And that's exactly the point - it's not like non-uniform day because the novelty wears off!!

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 16:56

Parker231 · 17/07/2024 08:39

Non uniform days in schools with a rigid school uniform are a fashion outing as it’s a one off day. In non uniform schools, where jeans and a hoodie are the norm, fashion isn’t a thing and clothing isn’t competitive.

Exactly!

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:00

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 09:50

The notion that fashion industry doesn't target mostly youth is funny

Poland

You're missing the point! What people are saying is from experience when DC can wear what they like every day it isn't a fashion show or a competition. It's not like a non-uniform day. And honestly, kids can like fashion but they have other things going on in their lives than just clothes!

For some reason it is obviously different in Poland, but from the comments in this thread and many others I have read, Poland is the exception.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:01

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 09:54

Exactly.

All that talk about kids not caring for brands is funny. Branded clothing in teens sizes sells very very well in UK

You're completely missing the point!

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:02

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 09:55

Yeah, not obsessed casually wearing branded clothing every day and as teens do what other teens do they not obsessively are also wearing the same brands. 😂😁

Your experience of teens is very different to mine!

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 17:03

@Smoothie23 In the original Mean Girls when Cady wears pink because "It's Wednesday and on Wednesday's we wear pink" she wears a plain baggy pink polo style shirt and ordinary jeans.
The Plastics don't seem to mind 😂
I forget what Cady in the new version wears - I vaguely remember a line about borrowing one of Damien's jumpers.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:04

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 12:10

@Smoothie23 my teen is autistic. At her SEN no one cares what anyone else wears.
Sometimes I think the ASD kids are the ones who have actually figured society out.

I was going to say this but then I couldn't be bothered!

But yes my DS is autistic he couldn't give a fuck what other teens are wearing! He can actually think for himself! As can so many other teens. If yours can't then maybe you have some work to do!

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:05

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 09:58

And you believe it never happens? Switch on any teen movie to see it. Talk to your teens if it happens

Teen movie?? 😂 You know they're not real!!

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:07

DullFanFiction · 17/07/2024 10:01

Or maybe because they’re dressed the way they want day in and day out, there is no more incentive to show off all the time.

Im finding this obsession on branding that you hear about so much on MN simply isn’t there when clothes aren’t ‘special’ aka when you go out to town with your friends, a party etc… vs when that’s what you wear for school.
The shine goes away quickly tbh.

From the comments I've read on here that is the near universal experience. The only comment I've ever read saying school is a fashion show and competition every day is from @Smoothie23 who says that is what it is like in Poland.

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 17:11

Maybe because Poland was a communist country in the past and (I assume) designer clothing was hard to get it's become more of a "thing" to show you can afford designer clothes.
That's completely a guess btw.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:14

mewkins · 17/07/2024 11:03

Hopefully change is on the horizon and the 'three logo'd items' guidance will be clamped down on. I challenged this with my dd's school and it was ridiculous, with the bloody PE kit being the main issue. They said that technically the kids don't need the PE tshirt, jumper, leggings and skort (all branded). Not sure how she'd feel about walking to school in what is effectively a microskirt and no jumper in the middle of winter🙄

www.tes.com/magazine/leadership/compliance/school-uniform-costs-how-things-could-change-under-labour

I thought the guidance was one logo'd item?

At my DD's school the jumper is the only logo'd item of the main uniform but they also have a checked blouse that has to be bought from the school uniform supplier. But like you the P.E uniform has more branded items. They have a logo'd polo, shorts and hoodie and then can have plain sports leggings.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:16

Natsku · 17/07/2024 13:40

That might be your experience, but my experience in a country with no uniforms is that the kids do not care anywhere near as much as you seem to think they do. They care about what they wear to a disco or special occasions like that but everyday wear for school is just everyday wear.

I completely agree.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:18

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 14:24

All of this depends on the child and family income. It’s fairly normal in the UK for dc to want certain trainers or bags. If dc don’t care, that’s their choice but many schools spend a lot of time being anti make up, anti jewellery and anti certain shoes and hair - although the latter has had to stop. My DDs would have been very keen to express themselves with jewellery, make up and hair extensions (are those banned?) but the uniform rules stopped it. They wore school pe hoodies and swapped them with ones from other schools but I preferred them wearing uniform. Generally they did too.

The vast majority of schools have uniforms in the uk. I doubt we care much about France (the home of LMVH for heavens sake!) or anywhere else. My DC expressed themselves through fashion and why on earth not? It’s legitimate and fun but not when at school.

And so do teens at non-uniform schools, just not at school as everyone has said! I'm not sure what is so hard to understand?

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 17:19

@TizerorFizz what's "LMVH" ?

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:19

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 14:52

@Natsku It is not a matter of experience. The numbers of sales in £$€ of branded merchandise for the specific age groups and countries speaks for itself. Somebody is buying it in those countries and I recon they also wear it

As we keep saying - they wear it in the evenings and at the weekends and on holiday. Noone is saying teens at non-uniform schools never own branded items!

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:20

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 16:15

Even babies wear high end designer gear! Start them young!!

By the time they are teenagers you would expect them to be making their own decisions on their clothes.

SummerDays2020 · 17/07/2024 17:22

Smoothie23 · 17/07/2024 16:28

and they cherish it by looking at it on the mantelpiece? And they purposefully dress down to school in rugs. Yeah...

Branded clothing is not only evening wear. 2004 Mean Girls movie and now follow up second part - all about it. Queen Bee and her guardians. Every teen movie talks about rich, popular kids in branded clothes. Art mimics life. Life mimics art. And this is very laid down US when it comes to clothing. In Europe oh god...
I was a teen in a non-uniform school. I remember how girls were endlessly babbling about who and what is wearing. Kids can be mean.

You do realise they are only at school/college a few hours a day?

And fine, in Poland kids are obsessed with brands and having a fashion show at school every day. But this is not the norm.

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 17:33

@Smoothie23 according to Google the clothing retailer chain with the most branches in Poland is Pepco.
Pepco is part of the same group as Poundland - who in the UK sell the Pepco branded clothes. Pepco is very similar clothes to Primark.
I am going to assume (I could be completely wrong) that the average medium size ordinary town in Poland is more likely to have a Pepco than a designer clothing store.
Google also says the most popular online clothing purchases in Poland come from Shein.
(yes I'm bored......)

FineFettler · 17/07/2024 19:09

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 08:02

It’s a definite thing in the uk. You would have to be asleep not to notice. My DDs loved their fashion but happily wore school uniform. Non uniform days were a bit of a fashion parade. This would be the isssue with non uniform. Some dc would see it as a competition.

Plus what’s wrong with fashion? Don’t we applaud our fashion designers? Don’t we want this industry to succeed? Just because MN has very stern (boring) views on fashion, it doesn’t mean everyone does. My DD went to LCF. Reading this you would think it was the equivalent of a prison. She always had an interest in fashion and, quite frankly, it’s a legitimate interest and something this country excels at.

Fairly obviously, non-uniform days turn into a fashion parade because they are one-offs. If every day is a non-uniform day, kids sling on whatever they're comfortable with. My experience of schools with no uniforms echoes that of others on here - children wear jeans, hoodies and T-shirts with comfortable shoes.

FineFettler · 17/07/2024 19:17

This bill will also require free breakfast clubs in every primary school, limit the number of branded items of uniform and PE kits that a school can require

Excellent news, but I hope they will limit this to one at most. There's simply no need for logos on so many bits of school uniform. I hope also that it will prevent schools having uniform that can't be bought in national store chains and supermarkets.

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2024 19:25

@Needmorelego Ooops. Typo. LVMH. Surely you have heard of them? Might I suggest you are a bit fashion lite if you haven’t.

Needmorelego · 17/07/2024 19:27

@TizerorFizz "LVMH" means nothing to me either?
Sorry....no clue 🤔
(I mean I could Google it....)