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Does examiner know that a candidate had extra time?

29 replies

HammerTimeNC · 24/04/2024 19:06

Y10 DD has just been assessed for Exam Access Arrangements and granted extra time.

Will the examiner marking their paper be aware of this?

Although I suspected DD had some minor difficulties I didn't think that they would be significant enough to warrant extra time but the assessment results confirmed that the school would apply for this accommodation.

Just wondering if there is any disadvantage to having extra time?

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piisnot3 · 24/04/2024 19:20

No, there is no disadvantage.
The examiner will apply the mark scheme, as they would to any other script.
The examiner mostly should not be aware - I can think of no reason why the exam board would tell them as it would increase the possibility of bias. There are some accommodations where the examiner can't help but be aware (e.g. if they're typed because the child has been granted use of a keyboard). But again, there's an onus on the examiner to apply the mark scheme objectively, not make assumptions.
Extra time can be critical in ensuring a level playing field. If she has qualified, she needs it, and should use it.
Also, accommodations are not recorded in any way on the exam certificates - the certificate looks the same as any other.
About the only situation where I think it can have a drawback is if there are 2 long papers in the same day. In that situation, the total time including extra time could lead to fatigue on the second paper. there are rules whereby it can be carried to the next day but they have to be extreme to be used (from memory 6 hours total time, but it might have changed)

MrsHamlet · 24/04/2024 19:26

None at all - we have no idea unless they have a scribe or word processor.

BiggerBoat1 · 24/04/2024 19:31

No disadvantages. Your DD doesn’t have to use the extra time but it’s there if she needs it. Invigilators obviously know, but not those who mark the number papers.

clary · 24/04/2024 19:34

yes agree with others, the examiner would not usually know but if they did know, they. couldn't allow that to have any bearing.

I examine speaking candidates in MFL (see many posts from me!) and sometimes a candidate qualifies for extra prep time. Obviously I know this and in some cases the speaking examiner marks the assessment; but there is no way I would take it into account in any way. For the most part, the assessments are sent away to be marked by a different examiner and obvs they would not know.

Equally (I've said this before but I think it bears repeating tho it is not on the same topic really) if a candidate sits foundation paper, that fact does not appear on their GCSE certificate. The grade is simply recorded as 4 or 5 or whatever, which might reassure people.

Leonab · 24/04/2024 20:02

The only way they have an indication of this is if a computer is used to write the answers. To be safest, I recommend not using a computer to write the answers - but take up the extra time.

AtomicBlondeRose · 24/04/2024 20:05

There’s no need to “be safe” - examiners mark all papers exactly the same. You apply the mark scheme you have been given and that’s it. Marking does get checked as well.

MrsHamlet · 24/04/2024 20:07

AtomicBlondeRose · 24/04/2024 20:05

There’s no need to “be safe” - examiners mark all papers exactly the same. You apply the mark scheme you have been given and that’s it. Marking does get checked as well.

Exactly this. Not sure what anyone needs to be safe from.

BuddingPeonies · 24/04/2024 20:16

I don't know how other subjects are marked, but the paper isnt marked as a whole. They are split down into questions (in science) and one marker might, e.g. mark Q6.3 150 times, then do 120 versions of Q3.1. So a whole paper isn't seen as a total package.

RiseYpres · 24/04/2024 20:20

Last year I invigilated for exams almost exclusively for those with EAA and we have a sheet we submit that records if they have extra time and how much of it they did or did not use. We also record rest breaks and how long they are etc. I assume those sheets go to the exam board- but perhaps not to the markers if other responses are anything to go by?

MrsHamlet · 24/04/2024 20:20

Literature is marked as a whole paper

Bovrilla · 24/04/2024 20:21

Nope you have no idea. We get computer typed scripts for some papers but they're very tightly marked and checked against tolerance papers

Shopper727 · 24/04/2024 20:23

I had a reader scribe, what did I need to be safe from? And I wasn’t marked down for it. It’s pretty tough to dictate answers to someone so had lots of practise with the same scribe and getting everything done in the time (extra I was given) people still made comments I was getting something extra it was unfair. Can’t win really.

TheFallenMadonna · 24/04/2024 20:24

Not all candidates who use a WP have extra time.

Popfan · 24/04/2024 20:25

Why would it not be safe to use a computer?! Surely the mark scheme is just applied as it would be a written paper!

MrsHamlet · 24/04/2024 20:26

You don't get marked down for access arrangements. You might not have access to all possible marks, depending on the EAA, but you don't get penalised.

I do work with someone, though, who is convinced that if you use a scribe, you get zero for SPAG. That's absolutely untrue.

RiseYpres · 24/04/2024 20:28

Shopper727 · 24/04/2024 20:23

I had a reader scribe, what did I need to be safe from? And I wasn’t marked down for it. It’s pretty tough to dictate answers to someone so had lots of practise with the same scribe and getting everything done in the time (extra I was given) people still made comments I was getting something extra it was unfair. Can’t win really.

I scribe and read for students and it is hard. And slow. Particularly when the student has to specify spelling and grammar. It;s really really tough on the candidate.

Morph22010 · 24/04/2024 20:30

Leonab · 24/04/2024 20:02

The only way they have an indication of this is if a computer is used to write the answers. To be safest, I recommend not using a computer to write the answers - but take up the extra time.

But if someone qualifies to use a computer to write the answers then presumably they need this so it’s not a case of them just being able to choose to write instead otherwise they could have had that option in first place.

dcadmamagain · 24/04/2024 20:30

exams officer here - examiner will not get info on extra time etc.

thise saying examiner will know it’s extra time if a laptop is used are wrong- laptops are used for various reasons including bad handwriting with no extra time given, likewise if a schools normal way of working is on laptops all those students would use a laptop in exam.

extra time is given so the student is not disadvantaged - -to “level the playing files” Therefore for an examiner to take into account a student having extra time would defeat the whole object of why extra time given!

RiseYpres · 24/04/2024 20:31

MrsHamlet · 24/04/2024 20:26

You don't get marked down for access arrangements. You might not have access to all possible marks, depending on the EAA, but you don't get penalised.

I do work with someone, though, who is convinced that if you use a scribe, you get zero for SPAG. That's absolutely untrue.

yes it is untrue as you say @MrsHamlet . Sometimes a student knows they can't cope with SPAG specification as well as a scribe so they accept they lose the marks. But if they make a decent attempt at it then they are marked for it. It can be astonishingly difficult for the candidate... but I believe the school I invigilate for practices with them hard and the ones I have had have been good at saying things like; 'Can you read that back to me..... can you make that a capital and put a comma there'.

MrsHamlet · 24/04/2024 20:33

I'd be delighted if my scribe users did that, @RiseYpres - not a chance!!!

In my dream world, scribes would have legible handwriting. Experience tells me that this is not a given.

takemeawayagain · 24/04/2024 20:36

Mine used a computer as is dyspraxic and got mostly 9's - please don't anyone stop your kids from using a computer because you're worried they might get marked down!

RiseYpres · 24/04/2024 20:36

YY on the handwriting.

In practice I sometimes think scribes can be a hindrance, no matter how diligent and on the ball. I have a strict rule that I do not scribe for anything maths or science related because I'd be doing the poor child a major disservice.

ShanghaiDiva · 24/04/2024 20:36

i am an invigilator and there is no information on the exam script that indicates the candidate had extra time.
During mock exams we time the extra time used and may ask candidates to switch to a different colour pen, but this is for internal use only and used to apply for access arrangements and providing evidence that this is the candidate’s normal way of working.
i invigilate candidates with access arrangements eg extra time, prompt, rest breaks, scribe, reader etc and we do make notes eg timings of rest breaks etc but this would only be used if there was a suggestion of exam malpractice eg students ‘meeting up’ on rest breaks etc.

ShanghaiDiva · 24/04/2024 20:41

TheFallenMadonna · 24/04/2024 20:24

Not all candidates who use a WP have extra time.

Exactly. I am a lead invigilator for a room with 23 candidates using a w/p and only 5 have extra time.

SE13Mummy · 25/04/2024 11:03

After an injury resulting in long-term nerve damage, DC2 uses a very specific type of laptop for pretty much everything in school, including exams. The exams officer at the school has an identical laptop for DC2 to use only in exams but it's a straightforward, physical adjustment, no extra time.

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