Regretting not letting dd try 11 plus. Is there a chance she may have passed?

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So, she's just got working at greater depth in English so she would have been on that cusp for the test.. Her natural raison detre is non verbal resolving so I think she would have managed that part very well. Her weakness was maths. Understand Iit but very slow to work it out

Was there any chance if she managed to get 60 / 70% on English and nvr that she may have swung maths weakness?

There’s absolutely no way of knowing is there? Even the brightest children have been known to have an off day when they sit 11 plus. sometimes they don’t see questions on the last page or don’t leave enough time. You can’t go back in time so all you can do is concentrate on her future.

This is a bit of a pointless thing to wonder about. You’ll never know. Presumably you made the choice for a good reason.
Given what you’ve said I think it’s unlikely she would have passed. The only kids I’ve ever taught who have passed 11+ were exceptional in all areas.

Don’t beat yourself with what it could have been or not. The 11+ is a competition so just passing is not good enough. Your daughter didn’t have to sacrifice extra hours or didn’t have to live the disappointment of doing her best and not get any reward, so her self esteem may be in a better place that other girls that sit the exam.

There is no such thing as one type of pass of 11 + exams. Different schools set different level of expectations.

If you are a rich lady who wanted to place a child in an average private school then of course she could have passed the exams and have been accepted.

If you live in Bucks, Kent and any place where are country grammar with the acceptance as high as 24 perc then maybe if she was tutored on maths she would also pass

But if you are thinking about superselective grammars where 1 perc or less is accepted or superselective private then no she would've not get in, and it would not be not the right type of school for her

If her maths is weak then don't give it another thought. You wouldn't want her to have scraped through somehow and then struggle.

The school we were looking at does foundation maths paper so she would have been fine had her maths not picked up.

Would you consider reapplying for the 13+?

No point in dwelling in what could have been. But that being said you could consider doing an in-year transfer at independent school. You would still need to take an exam.

@Teene. Yes that's a possibility but the school we wanted is massively over subscribed.
It's unlikely we would have been able to use sibling rule because we are out of catchment. However what's unnerved me is that lots failed the 11 plus around us so maybe she would have had a chance.

So as many children failed the 11+, is there a chance you could reapply now? Have you spoken to the admissions team?

Are you talking about state or independent 11plus? If it's an independent school and they do Foundation level maths it can't be very selective? And I don't think any grammar schools do Foundation level maths? ( but I may be wrong...)

Around here, the majority of children entered for 11+ are tutored. So if they didn't pass, then I don't think it would be likely that a child who doesn't find maths easy to get along with would have passed.

Having said that, there isn't a pass as such (around here). Different scores are acceptable to each school that uses the system.

When you say her weakness is maths, is she currently at the expected standard or working towards?

Remember that passing the test is only the first step; you also have to consider the experience of the child once they enter the school. Just because they enter some students for Foundation doesn’t mean that they have the patience or skillset to support a pupil who needs more time or support.

Depends where you live. There's 11+ up and down the country and then there's the ridiculous SW London 11+ which is barking mad competitive.

For the London one, not a chance. For other areas, maybe.

You could always enter her for a space in Year 8. It would give you time to help her with her maths. However NVR would possibly not form part of the test anymore. It would also very competitive still.

Like anything you might regret in life, it might have and it might have not, but doesn't make any difference.

then there's the ridiculous SW London 11+ which is barking mad competitive.

I live in SW London. Only superselective grammar and private schools are madly competitive. There are dozens of private schools here in SW that are struggling to survive and the benchmark is not very high

Not sure I understand? Most private secondaries in SW London are bursting with kids. Birth bulge etc…many taking extra like Emanuel and Surbiton high school and whs, over the years when they’ve accidentally over offered.

none struggling to survive. Quite the opposite!

>Not sure I understand? Most private secondaries in SW London are bursting with kids. Birth bulge etc…many taking extra like Emanuel and Surbiton high school and whs, over the years when they’ve accidentally over offered.

none struggling to survive. Quite the opposite!

Surbiton High is comparable to LEH and therefore highly selective. Highly selective can... select. Hardly something I addressed.

But not all private are selective. There are many private schools in South West London. There are 130 in London and even more in Greater London. And South West spreads from Hounslow almost to Croydon. Furthermore, many schools are not even slightly selective( and there are many of those)- they are consciously non-selective. Not all private schools require children to pass an entrance exam before they're offered a place at a private school. It is a business.
Not all schools are targeted at smart kids. Some take the kids of wealthy parents and help them to complete their education at all. Some schools change their modus operand to that because of the drop in popularity due to the economic uncertainties.

Even here in my London "village" there are quite a few schools at a primary level that are desperately dropping flyers and prospectuses as they need kids.

I regret letting my child take it as they failed and felt crap about it. I think unless you had tutored them for a good chunk of time (year minimum) I wouldn’t beat yourself up about it. My child was greater depth across the board and still failed. It was the reasoning papers that did it.

LEH is more selective than Surbiton High.

Did you have a particular reason to not have her take it? DS took it because he wanted to. There was no real chance he would pass and true to form he didn't. Like most of the kids who took it. But he found the whole experience really interesting and one of the sections he did brilliantly in.

What’s done is done. It sounds as though she would have been very unlikely to pass and the environment would not have been a good fit for her at this stage. It doesn’t mean she won’t go on to do well later on. Many children blossom academically after the ages of 10 and 11.

Nearly every child I know who passed the 11+ had months of tuition paid for by parents. The sad thing about grammar schools is that only kids with fairly well off parents get chosen.

Not sure this helps the OP.

My point was that if the 11+ grammar stakes were extremely high like SW London grammar route, her DD would surely have failed.

Tiffin girls and boys, Sutton boys etc are for example extremely difficult to get into and require years of tutoring for most children - even the most able will need a bit of practice for the sake of learning timing and structure of questions.

That is what my initial post referred to and what I wrote. No mention of private schools.

The reason the less selective private secondaries are in trouble is because the fees are exorbitant and priced equally to selective secondaries yet the children come out with the same results mostly as if they'd gone to the local state school - so what is the point?

No point paying for average when average is free anyway.

LEH is more selective than Surbiton High.

I live just by LEH. I am aware of it. But Surbiton High is still a selective school as a profile of the business.