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If you pay for private school fees will you pay uni fees?

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Allotment123 · 09/09/2023 20:58

As the title says, if you pay private school fees will you pay for uni fees, tuition and maintenance for your kids? On a combined income of about £90K and wondering if it was feasible? People say they'd rather save for a house deposit, but do they actually save it? Really hate the idea of my kids starting life in debt

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Variedviews · 07/01/2024 09:25
  1. Why do you think junior doctors are striking @Blodwen9?

  2. Do you have lived experiences of doctor income?

Blodwen9 · 07/01/2024 09:39

have I ever had to live on the same salary as a junior doctor? Yes. Many of us lived on far less when we first started out…..

Variedviews · 07/01/2024 09:50

@Blodwen9, my question in simpler terms, are you or your DH/DP a doctor? Run NHS payroll?

Variedviews · 07/01/2024 10:03

@Blodwen9

I wrote: Only 2% of doctors fully private. Earning about £600,000.

NHS consultants doing private work have to ensure there are no conflicts of interest.

You wrote: the statistic that only 2% are fully private is misleading. Many many doctors have some private practice which significantly boosts their NHS earnings.

What is misleading with fully vs some? Fully means no NHS work. Some means some private work. An NHS consultant must prioritise NHS work. Private work must fit around this.

Lolaandbehold · 07/01/2024 22:13

yes, paying for private school, will pay for uni, have a JISA which should have a decent whack by the time they leave school, to support with uni (living expenses, we will pay rent) and we have a flat in London to get them on the property ladder once they graduate. If you can, why wouldn't you?
That said, have to told them not to expect much of an inheritance!

WestLondonmumfromtheNorth · 25/02/2024 16:41

Emilia35 · 10/09/2023 06:46

It would be much better to put the money in a savings account with high interest for your kids to spend on a deposit.

I took out student loans and it's not really a debt. I am not a high earner as work part time and pay back a small amount monthly. I don't pay anything when on maternity leave and my loan will be written off when I'm 46. My husband paid his off quite quickly as he did earn a lot but again, it wasn't too much per month and the interest on it was low. I'd have a good look at the current terms and work out what makes more sense financially (and bearing in mind if yours kids don't earn a lot after uni then they wouldn't pay it back and it would eventually get written off).

I think the loan terms aren't as good now. Sure I read they don't get cancelled for 40 years, threshold for payment is lower too. Best to always check exactly what the terms are. Interest rates seem to be quite high too.

Katieweasel · 25/02/2024 17:10

My DS got a scholarship to attend a college abroad to study his IB. We still ended up contributing £30k for the 2 years with the remaining fees, insurances, flights etc. we only managed this by really cutting back. My DH works all overtime offered and I took on a second job. We literally go to work, come home and go to bed. It's been incredibly stressful. We recently found out that he has been awarded a full scholarship for University in the US. The relief that the financial commitment was over was immense. Only for our DS to say that he wants to go somewhere else which he won't qualify for any financial help. I just don't know what to do.

Glitterdash · 26/02/2024 21:01

I imagine if parents can afford private school fees they'll cover uni fees too. Given how madly expensive school fees (at least in SE England) are, uni including food and accommodation, costs less..

VanCleefArpels · 26/02/2024 21:20

Glitterdash · 26/02/2024 21:01

I imagine if parents can afford private school fees they'll cover uni fees too. Given how madly expensive school fees (at least in SE England) are, uni including food and accommodation, costs less..

After £9k a term school fees it certainly is way cheaper I can assure you!

whathappenedtosummer23 · 27/02/2024 07:45

Glitterdash · 26/02/2024 21:01

I imagine if parents can afford private school fees they'll cover uni fees too. Given how madly expensive school fees (at least in SE England) are, uni including food and accommodation, costs less..

No I am not and I don’t know anyone who is. I top up the loans and pay accommodation

Stoufer · 28/02/2024 22:19

We haven’t paid private school fees, but are paying uni fees / accommodation. Most of this has been said upthread… The threshold (at which you start paying) is now lower, you pay for 40 years, payments are a percentage of income (so should really be seen as an additional tax on top of income tax), you start to accumulate interest from day 1, and I seem to remember reading somewhere that the interest rate is no longer capped (but I may have that wrong)…

Xenia · 29/02/2024 15:27

I paid the fees but as far as I know although the interest rate may not be capped you pay 9% of earnings over the threshold so in a sense that might be 0.5% interest in practice for a whole career for someone on not a very high paid job but higher for someone who is.

For those wanting to pass money to children and worried about inheritance tax (ie not most people) giving money now when you probably have a long time before your death also means the state gets 40% less when you die.

carntresist · 29/02/2024 18:10

whathappenedtosummer23 · 27/02/2024 07:45

No I am not and I don’t know anyone who is. I top up the loans and pay accommodation

To be fair, it's not the sort of thing people talk about. I certainly haven't told any of my friends that we're paying DS's feed up front, and DS hasn't told any of his friends either. There's so much angst over student fees that it's best kept under our hats - most people don't have the choice to pay.

Stoufer · 29/02/2024 18:35

Xenia · 29/02/2024 15:27

I paid the fees but as far as I know although the interest rate may not be capped you pay 9% of earnings over the threshold so in a sense that might be 0.5% interest in practice for a whole career for someone on not a very high paid job but higher for someone who is.

For those wanting to pass money to children and worried about inheritance tax (ie not most people) giving money now when you probably have a long time before your death also means the state gets 40% less when you die.

Xenia, I don’t understand what you mean when you say it works out as 0.5 per cent interest in practice? Please can you explain? thanks. I read it to mean that you pay 9 per cent of your salary over the threshold, so making it very similar to an additional income tax (but with a different ‘personal allowance’ amount). When we looked into it in Feb 2023, the relevant interest rate (that would have been used as the interest rate for student loans) was 13.5 per cent. I think it has dropped since then though.

Xenia · 29/02/2024 22:41

My example of the 1% interest would be a teacher on £30,000 with say 5k over the limit pays 9% of £5k = £450 a year interest on a 50k loan. 50k x 1% is £500. So if that person earns 30k a year for life they pay 1% interest for 40 years on the 50k sum. That is just a rough calculation for relatively lower earners. Those who never earn over the threshold pay nothing ever and the loan is a gift. A newly qualified London lawyer on £100k might pay 9% of 75k which is £6750 a year which is more than 11% of a £50k debt etc etc.

In other words the real interest rate accumulating on the loan in a sense is irrelevant to a lot of people and it is what they will be paying - their 9% of the salary over the limit (or nothing if their pay is low) that is the effective interest rate/graduate tax.

Labraradabrador · 29/02/2024 23:37

I think most people attend university with hopes of earning more than the threshold, so unless you are going into a virtuous but underpaid career (nursing, teaching), I think you are likely better off without the debt. Peak repayment rates also tend to occur at ‘expensive’ time of your life - getting on property ladder and also having kids. I would probably prioritise keeping them debt free over saving it for some future investment .

VanCleefArpels · 01/03/2024 07:05

Labraradabrador · 29/02/2024 23:37

I think most people attend university with hopes of earning more than the threshold, so unless you are going into a virtuous but underpaid career (nursing, teaching), I think you are likely better off without the debt. Peak repayment rates also tend to occur at ‘expensive’ time of your life - getting on property ladder and also having kids. I would probably prioritise keeping them debt free over saving it for some future investment .

Absolutely right - one of mine is in the public sector and very poorly paid relatively speaking. It is a gift to have been able to ensure their pay is not further finished by loan repayments

Stoufer · 01/03/2024 08:11

Xenia · 29/02/2024 22:41

My example of the 1% interest would be a teacher on £30,000 with say 5k over the limit pays 9% of £5k = £450 a year interest on a 50k loan. 50k x 1% is £500. So if that person earns 30k a year for life they pay 1% interest for 40 years on the 50k sum. That is just a rough calculation for relatively lower earners. Those who never earn over the threshold pay nothing ever and the loan is a gift. A newly qualified London lawyer on £100k might pay 9% of 75k which is £6750 a year which is more than 11% of a £50k debt etc etc.

In other words the real interest rate accumulating on the loan in a sense is irrelevant to a lot of people and it is what they will be paying - their 9% of the salary over the limit (or nothing if their pay is low) that is the effective interest rate/graduate tax.

Thanks - I see. I also remember reading (in the govt student loans website in Feb 2023) that they forecast that 88 per cent of those with student loans will not have paid them off at the end of 40 years. I suspect the 12 per cent who pay them off are the ones whose salary increases quickly after graduation, so the repayments that they make are more meaningful, and make a bigger dent in the amount owed before it has chance to accumulate much.

Xenia · 01/03/2024 10:03

Yes, it is quite an interesting issue as you say plenty do not pay them all back but I know there are people who think the middle earner women pay the most as unlike perhaps husbands who never go part time etc when children come the women will be paying for decades so perhaps pay more interest than the men who either earn a lot and pay it off quicker so over all pay less and than those who never earn over the threshold and pay nothing. So the sums end up being quite complicated.

Variedviews · 03/03/2024 01:16

Stoufer · 01/03/2024 08:11

Thanks - I see. I also remember reading (in the govt student loans website in Feb 2023) that they forecast that 88 per cent of those with student loans will not have paid them off at the end of 40 years. I suspect the 12 per cent who pay them off are the ones whose salary increases quickly after graduation, so the repayments that they make are more meaningful, and make a bigger dent in the amount owed before it has chance to accumulate much.

Many parents appear too casual about letting their children accrue substantial student debts, not realising the long-term implications. Relying on earning below the £25,000 repayment threshold to avoid loan repayments is fool’s gold.

My son assumes he’s going to university in 2025 yet lacks clarity on what he wants to study and why. He has no idea what jobs there are in the real world. He goes to a selective grammar and they are fed the believe they’ll get an “good job with high earning capacity.” There is little instruction on what this job might be or the entry level salary expectations should be. Not £100,000, I can tell you and we live in London!

The potential £50,000 to £60,000 student loan debt is troubling, especially with the prevailing attitude that it's a negligible "graduate tax." It’s not, it’s a financial burden that’s growing and not going away for 40 years for most people.

My university education was largely free. Have I used my degree in practice? No. Would I want to be paying off my three years jolly now? No! I’ve been able to save and invest my “graduate tax” and this year at 55 will start winding down to retirement, debt and mortgage free. Im a single parent and solely financially responsible for my son. I didn’t plan to marry a man who would financially abuse his child, but I did. It’s these unknowns that make the additional debt burden do concerning. I’ve had to earn high because only I’ve been paying the bills for the past 17 years.

It's challenging to see this young person’s debt trivialised for what might merely be a costly three-year jolly. Too many parents are blinkered to the reality. I can only assume they didn’t go to uni or look at the stats for the number of students dropping out. They might drop out but the debt doesn’t.

Oh, snd then there’s the parent’s’ obsession with Russell Group universities. These are not the bee all and end all. In fact, many of the degrees that are more applicable to the modern workplace and skills needed for the future of work aren’t offered at these. The old polys are a much better bet.

Despite many parents' fixation on Russell Group universities for prestige, my hiring experience tells me that a university's name and the degree matter less than the candidate's fit and personal traits. When I’m hiring or on a selection panel, I prioritise applicable skills and character over academic “pedigree.”

So back to the “great graduate tax”….

With a £25,001 salary, the net monthly income after tax and National Insurance is about £1,700, decreasing slightly to £1,670 after student loan repayments, making the annual take-home pay around £20,000.

At a £40,000 salary, the take-home pay is £31,771, reducing to £30,420.64 after student loan deductions. Monthly, this translates to £2,535.05, or £601.63 weekly. Considering a 40-hour workweek, the hourly rate is nearly £15, not significantly above the National Living Wage.

Thus, a £40,000 annual salary may not stretch far, especially when factoring in expenses like mortgage or rent, insurances, pension contributions, car costs, utilities, and essentials like food and clothing, not to mention potential costs for a wedding, childcare, or maternity leave.

Given these financial pressures, the prospect of a £50,000 or £60,000 student loan debt seems daunting, particularly when many graduates find their university education doesn't directly apply to their jobs.

As someone reflecting 30+ years post-graduation, I'm relieved to have avoided such a debt and openly question the real value and applicability of most current university education to the needs of the modern workforce.

I really don’t think my son has thought long and hard about what it’s like to pay tax. He currently works 16 hours a week in a supermarket. He’s at school and so doesn’t pay tax. He will hate handing over large chunks of his money in tax. To hand over even more to pay for a three years jolly a decade or two before might pain him more when he’s trying to feed his family and pay a mortgage.

If you pay for private school fees will you pay uni fees?
Futb0l · 03/03/2024 05:06

We aren't paying for private school, but will pay for university. I will expect them to work in summer holidays for at least part of it to contribute, though. No fucking off interrailing. We save max isa allowance for both DC each year and will expect to help with deposits, but I'm only willing to do that if they are making sensible career choices & working to save some of it themselves.

Futb0l · 03/03/2024 05:07

I will also only fund a degree i think is worth doing and will encourage DC to look at the degree apprenticeships for things like law or accountancy.

Futb0l · 03/03/2024 05:09

I really don’t think my son has thought long and hard about what it’s like to pay tax. He currently works 16 hours a week in a supermarket. He’s at school and so doesn’t pay tax.

He's not exempt from tax because of his age? He may not pay any if he earns under the personal allowance band but if he goes over it he'll be taxed like anyone else.

Stoufer · 03/03/2024 07:54

Variedviews · 03/03/2024 01:16

Many parents appear too casual about letting their children accrue substantial student debts, not realising the long-term implications. Relying on earning below the £25,000 repayment threshold to avoid loan repayments is fool’s gold.

My son assumes he’s going to university in 2025 yet lacks clarity on what he wants to study and why. He has no idea what jobs there are in the real world. He goes to a selective grammar and they are fed the believe they’ll get an “good job with high earning capacity.” There is little instruction on what this job might be or the entry level salary expectations should be. Not £100,000, I can tell you and we live in London!

The potential £50,000 to £60,000 student loan debt is troubling, especially with the prevailing attitude that it's a negligible "graduate tax." It’s not, it’s a financial burden that’s growing and not going away for 40 years for most people.

My university education was largely free. Have I used my degree in practice? No. Would I want to be paying off my three years jolly now? No! I’ve been able to save and invest my “graduate tax” and this year at 55 will start winding down to retirement, debt and mortgage free. Im a single parent and solely financially responsible for my son. I didn’t plan to marry a man who would financially abuse his child, but I did. It’s these unknowns that make the additional debt burden do concerning. I’ve had to earn high because only I’ve been paying the bills for the past 17 years.

It's challenging to see this young person’s debt trivialised for what might merely be a costly three-year jolly. Too many parents are blinkered to the reality. I can only assume they didn’t go to uni or look at the stats for the number of students dropping out. They might drop out but the debt doesn’t.

Oh, snd then there’s the parent’s’ obsession with Russell Group universities. These are not the bee all and end all. In fact, many of the degrees that are more applicable to the modern workplace and skills needed for the future of work aren’t offered at these. The old polys are a much better bet.

Despite many parents' fixation on Russell Group universities for prestige, my hiring experience tells me that a university's name and the degree matter less than the candidate's fit and personal traits. When I’m hiring or on a selection panel, I prioritise applicable skills and character over academic “pedigree.”

So back to the “great graduate tax”….

With a £25,001 salary, the net monthly income after tax and National Insurance is about £1,700, decreasing slightly to £1,670 after student loan repayments, making the annual take-home pay around £20,000.

At a £40,000 salary, the take-home pay is £31,771, reducing to £30,420.64 after student loan deductions. Monthly, this translates to £2,535.05, or £601.63 weekly. Considering a 40-hour workweek, the hourly rate is nearly £15, not significantly above the National Living Wage.

Thus, a £40,000 annual salary may not stretch far, especially when factoring in expenses like mortgage or rent, insurances, pension contributions, car costs, utilities, and essentials like food and clothing, not to mention potential costs for a wedding, childcare, or maternity leave.

Given these financial pressures, the prospect of a £50,000 or £60,000 student loan debt seems daunting, particularly when many graduates find their university education doesn't directly apply to their jobs.

As someone reflecting 30+ years post-graduation, I'm relieved to have avoided such a debt and openly question the real value and applicability of most current university education to the needs of the modern workforce.

I really don’t think my son has thought long and hard about what it’s like to pay tax. He currently works 16 hours a week in a supermarket. He’s at school and so doesn’t pay tax. He will hate handing over large chunks of his money in tax. To hand over even more to pay for a three years jolly a decade or two before might pain him more when he’s trying to feed his family and pay a mortgage.

Hi - I wasn’t sure if you were referring to me (parents appearing casual), I agree with you, and we are paying uni fees / accommodation to avoid this debt for our dc. My worry is that if interest rates stay high, the loan amount accumulates very quickly, which then locks you in for 40 years of payments, which will become increasingly large as your income increases.