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Aqa review of marking, how long?

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Cubic · 31/08/2023 13:26

Ds has put in for a review of marking on two papers (two diff subjects). School suggested which papers.

Has anyone had a review back yet please? I'm just wondering how long it takes?

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Cubic · 26/09/2023 13:41

The one that came back today was a single science, the previous was an English and we're waiting for a modern language which we put in for after having the first review back.

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WaitingforThursday · 26/09/2023 13:54

we are still waiting on AQA, it a been about 3 weeks so far. We also had an OCR paper come back within a few days.

This has been exactly our experience too.

Thisismynewname123 · 26/09/2023 16:24

@MrsHamlet , can I ask more about how the review works. You say that they are just looking to see if the first marking was reasonable. We submitted my DDs 2 English Language papers for review because she was 2 marks off a 7. It was looked at by 2 teachers who both said that they think she was undermarked by maybe 4 marks on one paper and 2 marks on the other paper. So lets say a review puts both papers up 1 or 2 marks each, that would put her in the next grade boundary. Do they take grade boundaries into account when reviewing, and do they look at papers combined marking?

Thisismynewname123 · 26/09/2023 16:39

Also, if it's just a review to see if the original marking was reasonable, then why are we hearing about people who got a couple of extra marks on review and their grade went up? Would the couple of extra marks not be considered reasonable original marking?

WaitingforThursday · 26/09/2023 16:46

Thisismynewname123 · 26/09/2023 16:39

Also, if it's just a review to see if the original marking was reasonable, then why are we hearing about people who got a couple of extra marks on review and their grade went up? Would the couple of extra marks not be considered reasonable original marking?

Yes I wondered this, at least for subjects such as English where there are a few questions, each with a large number of marks. Surely there would then be a range of reasonable marks. My DC has gone up 3 marks on a science paper but there it was much easier to see how the marking was 'wrong' as the questions were only 2 or 3 mark sto start with and had definite right and wrong anwers.

mrsconradfisher · 26/09/2023 17:37

I’m not even going to attempt to explain it properly as I don’t entirely understand but in my son’s case its something to do with the essays being marked at the wrong level. There is a range of marks for each level, so there is variance at each level which is allowed but his have been marked at the wrong level which have given him a lower mark.

Cubic · 26/09/2023 17:57

The English paper we had returned was as pp said in that there were comments about wrong levels, when marked at the higher level he was awarded more points.

For the science paper there was a reason attributed to each question where the mark was changed with reference to the answers ds had given.

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WombatChocolate · 26/09/2023 17:58

For many Qs, there are ‘levels’ of marking. For an essay, there can be 5 levels of marking, with each level having several marks within it. So L5 might be 20-25 marks, where the total for the Q is 25 marks.

When reviewing the marking examiners look to see if the first marker placed in the correct level or band. So a reviewer might decide that a Q which got 20/25 was reasonably marked, even if they might have given it 24/25, because it was within the correct band of 20-25. If however, the original marker gave it 19/25 and it was in L4 and the reviewer thought it deserved L5, then that’s not reasonable or considered ‘out of tolerance’ and so can be changed.

Esoecially in essay subjects at A Level which can be worth Lots of marks and have pretty wide levels or bands, it’s possible for them to be a fairly substantial change. Of course, missing Qs out when marking and adding up incorrectly also account for changes. Sciences often have more questions worth fewer marks each. A dodgy examiner might make errors on lots of questions and each might only result in a change of a couple of marks, because the levels are narrow. Cumulatively, it can be possible to gain lots of marks….but this is rare to get a rogue or dodgy marker. Therefore science and maths papers will rarely gain more than a couple of marks of going up, unless wholenoages have been missed etc. However, it’s not that unusual for an essay to be marked bottom L4 and something like 16/24 to be moved to L5 and to be given 22/25…so a gain of 6 marks from one question. But this question might have taken an hour to write and been a third if the whole paper.

Sadly there are errors and review of marks after looking at scripts and/or when there’s a big surprise or a mismatch of results on the different papers that’s not expected, is well worth it. In my view, lots of parents have no awareness of the possibilities of looking into it or the processes and no sense of the fact errors happen or that their child shouldn’t be satisfied with whatever they were given. Without a doubt, those from more affluent and more switched-on families get more reviews if marking done and therefore see the increases in grades. Some people have suggested there should be tiered pricing for review of marks….independent school kids paying more, those receiving benefits paying least. But probably the Boards don’t want loads more requests…they struggle for reviewers, more re-grades looks bad and throws out their allocation of different grades. It’s disappointing that the system isn’t more reliable and that accessing what is rightfully their real mark is easier for some than others.

WaitingforThursday · 26/09/2023 18:17

Thanks for that incredibly detailed answer WombatChocolate

Sadtimes1 · 26/09/2023 18:58

Pls could someone help answer a question. Our school have a deadline for submitting reviews of marking listed as the 28th Sep. Do you think this would mean we could submit on the 28th Sep or that we would have to submit on the 27th? I know that they need to have received the payment but this is done online. I am still considering a remark of DS’s English Lit paper(s) but waiting for the school to come back to me. DS is 10 marks off the next boundary but only 8 marks off the lower grade boundary, he would still pass. The teacher says it has been marked harshly and there is quite a discrepancy between the 2 papers. DS has never had that lower score in any of his previous work/papers.

MrsHamlet · 26/09/2023 19:43

Thisismynewname123 · 26/09/2023 16:24

@MrsHamlet , can I ask more about how the review works. You say that they are just looking to see if the first marking was reasonable. We submitted my DDs 2 English Language papers for review because she was 2 marks off a 7. It was looked at by 2 teachers who both said that they think she was undermarked by maybe 4 marks on one paper and 2 marks on the other paper. So lets say a review puts both papers up 1 or 2 marks each, that would put her in the next grade boundary. Do they take grade boundaries into account when reviewing, and do they look at papers combined marking?

Reviewers don't see whole papers and don't know the marks except for the question they're reviewing. They don't know total marks or proximity to boundaries. They only look at the paper they are on.
None of that information is relevant to a review, which is only looking to see if the mark scheme has been applied correctly and reasonably.

Digimoor · 26/09/2023 20:46

@Sadtimes1 it might be worth asking school for a remark of just one paper if one is much lower than the other

Our school had a deadline of 4.30pm today - presumably the school need some time to process the paperwork too

Vquickly · 26/09/2023 21:58

Just got two review results back today for AQA Eng Lang and Eng Lit, DD got a 5 and a 6 after consistent 9s in mocks and pretty much throughout school. No change, exactly the same marks on all papers - she’s a bit gutted. Teacher felt certain an increase was due 🤷🏻‍♀️

WombatChocolate · 26/09/2023 22:12

Sorry to hear that.
It often feels that as time passes, fewer reviews result in an upgrade.
When you put in for one shouldn’t make a difference but it does seem like it does…or perhaps it’s just that the real anomalies go in straight away.

Sadtimes1 · 26/09/2023 22:22

@Vquickly sorry to hear that, English seems to have been very strange this year.

@Digimoor thank you, I am hoping the school will come back to me tomorrow. I am wondering if it’s worth putting one paper in, 10 marks would be a lot for one paper. DS’s friend’s English changed by 12 marks but that was over 2 papers.

MrsHamlet · 26/09/2023 22:22

WombatChocolate · 26/09/2023 22:12

Sorry to hear that.
It often feels that as time passes, fewer reviews result in an upgrade.
When you put in for one shouldn’t make a difference but it does seem like it does…or perhaps it’s just that the real anomalies go in straight away.

It really doesn't. All reviews are subject to the same process.

Vquickly · 26/09/2023 22:27

Thanks. It’s all felt quite mystifying tbh. Just such an anomaly of a result, teacher can’t fathom it, so it’s a bit of a confidence knock, esp as it was her favourite subject. I think we can ask to see the reviewed papers, maybe that will make some sense of it..

Vquickly · 26/09/2023 22:51

@Sadtimes1 our school have said you can request a review up to and including Thursday - hopefully yours is the same. Best of luck wherever you decide

Sadtimes1 · 26/09/2023 23:00

@Vquickly thank you, that’s really helpful.

ramonaquimby · 26/09/2023 23:04

Waiting on English lit and RE here, one point off next grade up.

Cubic · 27/09/2023 04:35

Vquickly · 26/09/2023 22:27

Thanks. It’s all felt quite mystifying tbh. Just such an anomaly of a result, teacher can’t fathom it, so it’s a bit of a confidence knock, esp as it was her favourite subject. I think we can ask to see the reviewed papers, maybe that will make some sense of it..

School forwarded us the email from aqa. It had two attachments. One was a summary and one showed a breakdown of each question following that was the paper. I seem to remember when we submitted the payment there was two options which cost £42, one just for a review and one for a review and the script. It may depend what school have asked for but I'd definitely ask.

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Cubic · 27/09/2023 06:43

Does anyone know please what the conditions are for a refund on the £42? Ds has had two grades go up but we've only had one refund. I don't want to pester the school asking for a refund if we're not due one.

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GrammarTeacher · 27/09/2023 06:48

Check with school, board probably haven't released it yet. Is it AQA? This time last year many of the markers were still fighting to get paid.

Vquickly · 27/09/2023 07:29

Thanks I will definitely ask school, that’s really helpful to know

Cubic · 27/09/2023 07:46

@GrammarTeacher thank you, yes it is aqa, wow that's really bad. I hope it's smoother this year.

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