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BaconAndAvocado · 24/08/2023 11:12

...How do I find out what these are? I think DS2 might have just missed an 8 in Maths.

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WombatChocolate · 25/08/2023 08:42

When they look at the marking, they are seeing if the mark given is reasonable…if it’s within the band it should be…for example 21-25 out of 25 band. If it’s not, then it will be changed. If however, the examiner sees the first marker gave it 21 but they would have given 23 there is no change as it’s ‘within tolerance’ and within the band it should have been.

This is all the case, but I think some people are too keen to say marks don’t change or to overly emphasise the difference between this and simply re-marking. Yes, if the original mark is within tolerance when checked, nothing changes….but in order to do this checking,t he new examiner is essentially looking to see what they would have given…it’s the only way to judge if it is in the wrong band. It is correct that ‘they aren’t looking for extra marks’. So when some kids or parents say ‘we need to find 3 extra marks’ the examiner isn’t looking to see if they can find extra marks. All they are doing is looking to see if the original marker marked fairly according to the markscheme and placed the marks in the right band, rather than being exactly what they would have awarded themselves. In the end though, it is this review if marking process that results in some marks changing. Many don’t, but some do.

I’d say it’s worth having done when the following conditions all apply;

  • the mark is close to the grade boundary above and far from the boundary below
  • when a breakdown of marks across the different papers has been gained and where one (or more) papers are surprising in terms of not fitting with how the student felt the exam went and/or is significantly out of step with the other paper or with what the teacher would have expected.
In later years, it’s true that for most people an 8 or a 7 might not make any difference. But what about now and what about having what you have earned if you have earned it? I’m just surprised how blasé people are about their kids possibly being done out of a grade or even more than one grade, that they earned. I suppose people decide it’s a means to an end and as long as it facilitates the move to the next stage, it doesn’t matter. I think it misses the point of having academic pride and having worked hard and being keen to have what you are due for personal satisfaction.
OneSugar1 · 25/08/2023 11:05

Sorry if this has already been asked but does anyone know what the deadline is for asking for a review/remark?

MrsHamlet · 25/08/2023 11:06

OneSugar1 · 25/08/2023 11:05

Sorry if this has already been asked but does anyone know what the deadline is for asking for a review/remark?

The end of September from memory - but check the website of the exam board

OneSugar1 · 25/08/2023 11:13

thanks MrsH

GuardiansPlayList · 25/08/2023 12:20

This has been a very useful thread. DD has 2 GCSEs 1 mark short of the next grade above and 1 GCSE 3 marks short.
I am definitely going to speak to the school about remarks.
I will try and remember to come back and update as to the outcomes - whether they go up, down or (as I accept is the most likely) stay the same. It’s got to be worth a chance.

MrsHamlet · 25/08/2023 12:24

GuardiansPlayList · 25/08/2023 12:20

This has been a very useful thread. DD has 2 GCSEs 1 mark short of the next grade above and 1 GCSE 3 marks short.
I am definitely going to speak to the school about remarks.
I will try and remember to come back and update as to the outcomes - whether they go up, down or (as I accept is the most likely) stay the same. It’s got to be worth a chance.

My advice is get the papers back first and get them checked before you go for review. Most don't move.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 25/08/2023 12:39

Thanks to the knowledgeable posters on this thread. I am going to ask the school to get the scripts for the exams close to the grade boundaries and ask them to take a look to see if it’s worth pursuing.

MarchingFrogs · 25/08/2023 17:47

An observation...

I am really intrigued by the number of posters on both this and the Higher Education board who appear to have zero clue about the exam boards' post results services.

Our youngest took GCSEs in 2019, his siblings in 2013 and 2017 (and therefore took actual external A level exams in 2015 and 2019, respectively). DS1 and DS2 took GCSEs at School A, where DS2 also sat A levels; DS1 and DD took A levels and GCSEs, respectively at School B, and DD sat her A levels at school C. On each of these occasions, we were made aware of what the process was, should they / we want to query a result officially.

Tbh, I have no idea whether the other schools in our area provided the same information, or not, or whether they did then, but no longer do (I checked DS2's old school website earlier out pf curiosity, and it definitely still informs parents re the procedures, costs and deadlines). But it would appear that there are an awful lot of schools which give neither exam candidates nor parents any information whatsoever about the post results services...?

megletthesecond · 25/08/2023 17:53

DS is 1 mark off a 6 in physics. He needs a 6 for college, maybe I should risk this.

MrsHamlet · 25/08/2023 17:59

megletthesecond · 25/08/2023 17:53

DS is 1 mark off a 6 in physics. He needs a 6 for college, maybe I should risk this.

At the risk of repeating myself and becoming tiresome (I know what my students would say!), please get priority access to scripts first.
Reviews are expensive. Most marks don't change. They can go down.

DailyDriver · 25/08/2023 18:30

When did getting marks for individual papers become a thing?

MrsHamlet · 25/08/2023 18:32

I've been teaching 20+ years and it's always been a thing

Cubic · 25/08/2023 18:57

Ds has 3 subjects where he is one mark off a 9. I've requested the priority scripts which school got back to us within an hour and he's forwarded them to his teachers (for 2 of the subjects, the third is Spanish and he accepts the current grade and doesn't want to risk the grade as he expected much lower). The exam board is aqa.

He wants to try for Oxford.

School have suggested that the teachers look at the papers and then with their help look at if he should have one paper for each subject checked. Is this the best course of action please? Just looking for advice.

MrsHamlet · 25/08/2023 19:24

School have suggested that the teachers look at the papers and then with their help look at if he should have one paper for each subject checked. Is this the best course of action please? Just looking for advice.

Yes it is. Be aware that marks can also go down, that most don't change, and that reviews are not looking those elusive extra marks.

Boomboom22 · 25/08/2023 19:25

Yes but that's why you only send those close to the boundary, so unless they lose loads of marks they keep the grade even losing 3 marks
Go up 1 2 or 3 and up a grade! If you can afford to lose the money def do it if the teacher advises.

MrsHamlet · 25/08/2023 19:31

You should send the ones where they stand a chance of being changed, unless you have money to spare.

Boomboom22 · 25/08/2023 19:36

Some subjects are more likely to change than others. Eg English often changes by more than 1 grade! Whereas science might be 1 mark. Overall most don't change but 6/10 is most!

Muchtoomuchtodo · 25/08/2023 20:40

MarchingFrogs · 25/08/2023 17:47

An observation...

I am really intrigued by the number of posters on both this and the Higher Education board who appear to have zero clue about the exam boards' post results services.

Our youngest took GCSEs in 2019, his siblings in 2013 and 2017 (and therefore took actual external A level exams in 2015 and 2019, respectively). DS1 and DS2 took GCSEs at School A, where DS2 also sat A levels; DS1 and DD took A levels and GCSEs, respectively at School B, and DD sat her A levels at school C. On each of these occasions, we were made aware of what the process was, should they / we want to query a result officially.

Tbh, I have no idea whether the other schools in our area provided the same information, or not, or whether they did then, but no longer do (I checked DS2's old school website earlier out pf curiosity, and it definitely still informs parents re the procedures, costs and deadlines). But it would appear that there are an awful lot of schools which give neither exam candidates nor parents any information whatsoever about the post results services...?

Our school have given no information about requesting scripts or a review of the marks. There is nothing on the website either.

If it wasn’t for MN I would have remained oblivious that this was a possibility.

Cubic · 25/08/2023 20:59

Thank you for your advice.

RugglesB · 25/08/2023 22:05

3 points off in chemistry for a 7. Worth it?

MrsHamlet · 25/08/2023 22:13

Ask to see the paper first

fuckmyuteruslining · 22/09/2023 10:23

An update - dd's school sent her RS paper back. It's gone up by 7 marks.
So not just scraped a grade 9, very much in the zone.

Which is great and she's delighted as are we.
I do have a lingering bewilderment as to how it could be so wrong.

Cubic · 22/09/2023 11:01

@fuckmyuteruslining yes, I felt the same. I'm also wondering how many other papers ard wrong. It doesn't fill me with faith. May I ask when did you put in for the review please? We've had one back that's gone up and are now waiting for more.

Cubic · 22/09/2023 11:01

@fuckmyuteruslining and congratulations to your son!

fuckmyuteruslining · 22/09/2023 21:53

It went in the week school went back so two weeks.

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