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Year 10 - 2023/2024 Support Thread

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QueenMabby · 10/08/2023 15:59

Hi all

A new thread for those needing support (or just wanting to chat or rant!) with teens heading into their GCSE years.

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SB1971 · 09/05/2024 22:07

Thanks @QueenMabby & @DataColour .
He said he thought it went ok and answered every question and was writing almost to the end-that is a pretty full response for him.
We went to Wingstop for his dinner and he is having a night off before getting back on it tomorrow for paper 2 next week.

Oblomov24 · 09/05/2024 22:35

Well done ds SB! Is he our 1st GCSE'er?

DataColour · 10/05/2024 09:26

Well done to your DS @SB1971 sounds like he did well, good luck for next week too.
Good luck to your DD as well @QueenMabby !

Cricket season has started for DS now and got his first match done this week. Cricket practise once a week and a match most weeks, plus running training and track meets every so often means that it's going to be a busy summer with sports. DofE expedition in a couple of weeks time too.

NotDonna · 10/05/2024 14:40

We are the opposite regarding sport. The hall is used for exams so her 4 sports have been greatly reduced from 12 hours a week to 2 hrs a week! I’m secretly very happy as it means I’m not in the car at 7pm driving back & forth! She finishes at 4pm and can get the train. 😊

icanbewhatiwant · 10/05/2024 15:10

We had ds's award ceremony last week where he won 2 awards. They pick 2 boys and 2 girls for each subject. I had a job to get Ds to go as he said the subjects he had rewards for aren't worthy subjects. I wish he wouldn't put himself down so much.

Ds has decided to apply for the head boy post. I admire him for going for it, but he's very quiet and I can't imagine him doing it, I know 2 of the others also applying, they are both out going, popular lads, so I can't help worrying about how Ds will be if he's rejected. He's bad enough when he's not in the top 3 in an exam, he goes on about failure. They all have to write a letter saying why they want to be head boy and write a bit about themselves. Ds hasn't done anything much to write about. Whereas the offer 2 lads are both scouts, they were in the school play, they do out of schools sports etc. I hope he at least makes the interview stage. Watch this space!

NotDonna · 10/05/2024 16:40

Good for him @icanbewhatiwant if he doesn’t go for it he definitely won’t get it but I know what you mean about rejection. Head girls/boys aren’t always the extroverts though. At DDs school they have a head girl team of three (6th formers) and they’re all unassuming girls. They always choose Uber bright but not necessarily sporty or outgoing but definitely well-behaved easy going role models. Huge congrats to him getting TWO awards!! He should be very pleased with himself.

minisnowballs · 10/05/2024 17:04

I have an idiot child. She has just messaged me to tell me that she was kayaking in the swimming pool with her phone in her pocket, capsized and now it is wet. JUST WHY would you do that?

Well done on GCSES, awards etc. Much more impressive!

QueenMabby · 10/05/2024 17:06

@minisnowballs - oh dear. Poor dd. Lesson learnt hopefully!

@icanbewhatiwant - good on your ds for having the confidence to put himself forward. That is impressive in itself. And well done on the awards too!

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QueenMabby · 14/05/2024 08:16

Dd has her end of year German listening exam this morning. There's only about 20 of them doing German altogether (1 class) so she finds it hard to feel how she's doing and there aren't many students to compare herself to.

She's starting to get a bit nervous about tomorrow's GCSE exam but it's in the 1.30pm slot so she'll have some time for a last minute refresher in the morning.

I can't believe we're nearly at the end of year 10!

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QueenMabby · 15/05/2024 16:25

Dd has done her first ever GCSE exam! It was fine.

She took the paper slowly and steadily and it took 35 minutes to complete...giving her a solid 55 minutes of checking time!!

She was quite stressed this morning. There's nothing worse than a pm exam as the first one when you've got all morning to get worked up about it! Her brother popped along to the sports hall to see her before she went in though which helped.

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SB1971 · 15/05/2024 16:34

Sounds positive @QueenMabby .
Is there another paper to come on that subject?

QueenMabby · 15/05/2024 16:46

Yes two more. One next Tuesday and one the week after half term. They are only one hour each though.

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minisnowballs · 15/05/2024 16:56

Well done to her @QueenMabby I reckon doing one breaks the spell - she'll be super fine with all the others now.

QueenMabby · 15/05/2024 17:25

I think she will. She has general end of year exams next week too so will be busy. They've cleared her exam schedule for the Tuesday so she just has the GCSE but that has meant that she has to slot those two exams in elsewhere so it'll be a busy week!

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NotDonna · 16/05/2024 11:20

@QueenMabby ehat a lovely brother! Pleased it went well and so good to break the spell so early on!

minisnowballs · 19/05/2024 10:03

@QueenMabby sounds like she's got plenty on but she'll handle it! DD2 doesn't have her year 10 exams until the week after half term, so it feels like it's all really dragging. I failed to make the meeting about the exams - which seems to have been ominously full of 'this is how we will decide which A-Levels your kids take', because we're 100 miles away, but suspect she'll be OK.

Meanwhile I'm wondering if you guys can sense check my possibly ridiculous 'mummy moment' over my year 10. As I think I've said, she moved schools in September, because she has a government music place at specialist school - though it is a school with non-specialists in it as well, confusingly. It's been a big shift but I think she has done well.

However, she mentioned last week that although she has never done anything wrong, and is in the top two or three in all of her classes (in many cases the others aren't also doing specialist music and are often a full academic year older) she never receives a single merit mark, where others do.

She does care about this, especially as a new child to the independent school system, where these things seem to matter. In her old school you basically got showered with merits for not throwing chairs, but getting into the national children's orchestra and choir got no recognition at all - but at this school the criteria seem very different.

I asked her tutor what she should do to get a merit (which was a bit 'that parent' of me, but I haven't emailed him for six months and then it was about vaccinations so I'm not normally like that). He replied.

"I can assure you that there is absolutely nothing x is doing wrong! I suspect the unfortunate truth is that x operates at an exceptional level in all areas so consistently, that perhaps staff forget to recognise this because it has become the norm for their experience of x. My experience as a tutor is that, generally, I see merits given to pupils who have performed better than normal more than I see them given to those such as x, who perform outstandingly all of the time. Unfortunately for x what I think this may have meant is that her count of merits don't give her the credit she deserves."

Now this is all very well, but she still feels she's a bit rubbish and these kids who get merits are all over the very shiny newsletter, assembly, etc etc ALL the time. They are loud, and swishy-haired, and DD2 really feels it.

Academically and musically, she's fine - predicted all 8-9s etc. But she really feels like the 'state school mouse' who gets ignored.

Should I say something more, or is it just that she has to suck it up?

Sorry, that's an essay! But any help v gratefully received!

QueenMabby · 19/05/2024 13:34

I would be inclined to reply to the tutor to thank him/her for the response and to ask the tutor to feedback to your DD's subject teachers that it is something she's noticed and is affected by. Even the most able child will produce some pieces of work which are better than others - the distinction will just be smaller. But it'll still be there and should be rewarded.

My dd doesn't have the merit issue but does face this in other areas. So far this year she's had a 9 in every biology test but her scores are all marked yellow on the data she as she's "met expectations". She can't ever be green "exceeds expectations" as she can't score higher than a 9! So she feesl that she can never impress because the expectation is so high. This is the root of it I suspect.

To some extent there has to be an element of just sucking it up but it is important for the school to understand that just because she's academically very able doesn't mean that she doesn't need the reward and positive reinforcement that getting a merit brings.

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minisnowballs · 19/05/2024 13:49

Thanks @QueenMabby that does also seem unfair! I'm not sure what the expectations are academically for DD2 - because she is new I am not sure school does either.

It would matter less if she came home to me every night and we could talk it over and encourage her and all of that - all of which I do try to do via WhatsApp but it isn't quite the same. I probably worry too much that her face doesn't fit, and she doesn't put herself forward enough - new school at 14 is tough!

I guess what's most important that she learns that she does stuff for herself, not for the joys of recognition. Which she does really- and she certainly doesn't want marks out of pity.

NotDonna · 19/05/2024 23:33

It’s such a tough one @minisnowballs and more difficult due to distance. It does seem at our school that it’s the same few girls who consistently get recognition in the newsletters and many are overlooked. There seems to be a type. And whilst we may try to instil the importance of intrinsic motivation a flipping merit here and there doesn’t hurt. I think Queen Mabby’s response is good as it’s not too ‘that parent’ The tutor has pretty much said she’s overlooked because she excels. If she knows you emailed I’d read that to her!
I don’t think DD3 has ever got a merit. I don’t recall my other two getting any either at senior school. I’m not sure they have them; just detention marks. I’ll have to ask her in the morning.

minisnowballs · 20/05/2024 08:44

@NotDonna thanks - they definitely have and use merits in DD2's school - much admiration in the last assembly for those who had 75 or more apparently - so none at all seems unusual! If I ever ask anyone (teacher, music teacher, houseparent etc) how she is doing they are always fulsome in their praise - but the cynic in me thinks maybe fee-paying schools are like that (we have no experience) and actually there is a problem they aren't articulating.

I'll probably send the email to her if it continues to be an issue, or talk with her when she's home for half term. It's not an easy conversation to have when she's in a boarding house.

QueenMabby · 20/05/2024 09:45

@minisnowballs - the school would say something if there was anything amiss. Maybe the school has a policy of using merits as encouragement and they feel your dd does just fine without the need for them! I can understand why your dd would feel bewildered by it though.

I'd be less likely to say something if the school didn't make such a fuss about them. If they were just a "nice to have" then it wouldn't matter but if they're going to make a song and dance about them then they should be taking extra care to make sure their merit policy applies consistently across the year group.

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minisnowballs · 20/05/2024 10:05

@QueenMabby I'm sure you're right about them telling us if there was something actually wrong. It is just such a culture shift. When DD told us that in tutor time they were asked how they 'contributed to the school' and one boy handed over two pages of typed A4 on his sporting achievements and maths scores, but she mumbled something about being a nice person and making tea for Matron, we couldn't quite believe that 'typed A4' boy was the one who won all the prizes.

They were also, by the way, asked what their parents did for a living. Not something that would have happened at her old place - where she knew she was damn fortunate that her parents were a) employed b) alive c) allowed to be in the same country as her (we have a Ukrainian teen living with us as a foster child so DD is well aware of her privilege even now she's in a different school cohort).

Essentially we are a naive bunch who thought that being nice and keeping your head down might get you noticed in a smaller school. Of course it doesn't. Rather sad really.

QueenMabby · 20/05/2024 12:58

@minisnowballs Jeez we are equally naive then! That sounds really awkward. My dd is at an indie and that would just never happen at our school. A4 boy sounds a bit of a nightmare tbh and I would have thought that the school ought to know and value each child's different contributions!

We have 10 Ukrainian children currently fully funded by our school in various years and such a question could be very traumatic for them.

I think all the stuff at your DD's school warrants just a big eye roll!

My dd has started end of year exams today. Eng Lang, Bio and Spanish today. Fingers crossed!

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NotDonna · 20/05/2024 14:31

I mean this very very kindly!!

Im going to offer another perspective…Johnny spent three hours last night compiling an essay regarding his sporting achievements and maths scores yet this other girl won the ‘contribution to school’ prize because she’s nice and makes tea for matron. 🤔

I think ‘being nice’ is generally expected & isn’t extra-ordinary. Doing extra curricular will be considered ‘more’; rightly or wrongly.

I’m also not sure if it’s you or your daughter calling her classmates ‘loud and swishy haired’ but what’s meant by that?

And why the heck is she making tea for matron? It’s not the 1950’s! If they’re expected to make tea I’m hoping they ask the boys too. If it’s to help her build a relationship with matron then maybe but whilst she’s making tea is she then being isolated from the others. I’ve always felt from your posts that she’s settling in well and making friends so hopefully that’s all still good.

The asking about parents jobs is incredibly bizarre! We’ve been at 5 different private schools and never had anything like that. The kids often don’t really know.

I think it must be incredibly difficult having her far away boarding. It’s a huge credit to you all to take up the opportunity despite the distance and ‘culture change’. She’s settling in brilliantly by the sounds of it and getting great great grades. I’m thinking this is the ‘merit’ she needs to focus on.

Hood that’s not sounding too harsh!!

minisnowballs · 20/05/2024 15:10

@NotDonna Perhaps you are right. I'm not expecting her to win a class prize though - just a merit. This school turns what she is used to being praised for on its head - she has done incredible amount of extra-curricular activity in the past, including several national ensembles, but these were not interesting to her old school. Being a kind person absolutely would have been. She would just have been told off for showing off, and probably bullied if she had ever even mentioned them in a tutor meeting.

I think she just makes tea for everyone. As she does at home. We praise her for being helpful around the house, and I suspect maybe matron does too.

I'm sure she would never call her classmates loud to their faces. They certainly are louder than her, though.

It's a culture she cannot get her head round. Maybe if we'd moved her at year 7 it would have been easier.