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Can my child be put on study leave?

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robotchez · 20/05/2023 13:35

School called Friday, said because of two incidents at school of my child being rude to a teacher, following what my child said (no excuse I know) was a very stressful maths exam, that they would be put on study leave. This means that they cannot go in to school for anything other than their exams. Neither myself or my child want this.

Everything I have searched on the internet doesn't help explain the position. As far as I can see the school are under an obligation to provide my child an education until the last Friday before June following their 16th birthday. Where a child does want to go on study leave, they must receive permission from the school. I guess they have an option to suspend my child but there is no indication that they are doing this at this stage.

Seems to me then that they cannot put my child on study leave but anybody know where I stand on this point?

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LadyRoughDiamond · 20/05/2023 16:06

The basis under which he can no longer go into school is that he was rude and unpleasant causing disruption to other pupils. As you said, this isn’t the first time and so, yes, this really is enough. Believe it or not, it sounds like the school can’t bear to have your little darling back.
As for what you should do? I suggest you respect the decision of the people that have been on the receiving end of your son’s crap and keep him at home.

noblegiraffe · 20/05/2023 16:06

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1073591/School_attendance_guidance_May-2022.pdf

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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1073591/School_attendance_guidance_May-2022.pdf

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robotchez · 20/05/2023 16:07

noblegiraffe · 20/05/2023 16:06

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1073591/School_attendance_guidance_May-2022.pdf

page 19

thank you @noblegiraffe v helpful

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MrMucker · 20/05/2023 16:09

robotchez · 20/05/2023 16:03

Thank you for your reply @MrMucker that is really helpful. I'm not looking to blame here, I am looking to learn and understand what the position is which has been very helpfully explained to me by many, including yourself

Perhaps you can explain what it is exactly that concerns you about the situation, maybe we can reassure.
He most definitely is receiving an education. He is not allowed into the school for the rest of the year apart from exams. And they have confirmed his sixth form place. But he has breached the conduct code in some way and not longer allowed in this year.
Are you worried he'll get up to mischief? Be a toerag to you at home? Get enraged and go rant in the school car park? Get bored? Lonely?
He has exactly the same academic opportunity as he had when in class, he just needs to manage communicating with the school about his work.
So what is it exactly that concerns you?
Does it impact your working commitments? Is he PITA at home? Is he unable to occupy himself when confronted with school work?

Neurodiversitydoctor · 20/05/2023 16:13

robotchez · 20/05/2023 14:35

yes I agree I think you’re right along with many others. He’s upset but he’ll have to learn I guess. Looks like we will focus on setting a revision plan for the next four weeks.

yes maybe I shouldn’t assume @Piggywaspushed because he revised with no reminder last night and this morning so maybe I should give him more credit

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I am flabbergasted by this , I have a Dd in YR11, what do you mean by "setting a revision timetable " ? Dd has been revising independently for months certainly since Easter has your DS not been studying at home until now ? DD was delighted to go on study leave 2 weeks before the exams, (with her whole year group) as she felt she could be much more productive not going to school. I had no idea that some schools were still running yr11 lessons, what on earth for ? If they don't know it now....

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robotchez · 20/05/2023 16:14

HI @MrMucker , if you look up thread you will see that I do appear to be projecting some of my issues on the situation (not good). All of those things you have said are not true, he is focused and he won't be a pia. I work from home and am able to support him. This thread has been really helpful in understanding the position and help me support my child. He will be apologising on Monday whatever happens. Thanks to everybody including yourself for their comments, it's been very helpful

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robotchez · 20/05/2023 16:18

Everybody is different @Neurodiversitydoctor - what I mean is we will need to make a plan as to what my child revises at home, as he will not be at school in the periods between exams. Of course he has been revising at home, he also attends after school interventions. As a poster upthread stated, teh lessons in school now are more revision lessons as opposed to learning sessions

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Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 20/05/2023 16:19

Can you pick him up or meet him and revise with him? Maybe take parental leave for a few weeks so you can support him as much as possible, some 121 parental support for revision may really help him. You don't need to be an expert yourself, just ask him to explain things to you. It does sound as if perhaps the school is no longer a good fit for him so I would also explore other options.

DRS1970 · 20/05/2023 16:30

I imagine it was study leave or suspension, and they have gone for the easier option all round. I would accept the situation and be thankful it wasn't expulsion.

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robotchez · 20/05/2023 16:33

yes I will certain be doing that @Unexpecteddrivinginstructor - we have been doing that at home anyway so I will just support him at home during the day now also - luckily I work from home so no issues there. Yes @DRS1970 i am grateful it was not an expulsion

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Neurodiversitydoctor · 20/05/2023 16:35

robotchez · 20/05/2023 16:18

But surely by this late stage in the game he knows what he needs to revise ? I am genuinely baffled as to what on earth is going on in these "classes" other than private study with a teacher on hand to answer questions. Dd is using the "flora" app to keep her on track. Is this a private school hence the ongoing lessons ?

SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2023 16:38

Actually @Neurodiversitydoctor i think more state schools than private are having ongoing revision lessons. The focus may be on providing a quiet classroom to study with a teacher for any questions, or on exam boosters, but most state school pupils I know are still going to school.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 20/05/2023 16:41

I stand corrected SheilaFentiman I just assumed they were all on study leave like Dd and I was (admittedly 30 years ago). DS's exams were cancelled due to COVID so I have no other experience.

SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2023 16:42

Neurodiversitydoctor · 20/05/2023 16:41

I stand corrected SheilaFentiman I just assumed they were all on study leave like Dd and I was (admittedly 30 years ago). DS's exams were cancelled due to COVID so I have no other experience.

I was surprised too, I was definitely on study leave early!

MrsKeats · 20/05/2023 16:42

Actions have consequences.
Welcome to life.

thelionthewitchtheaudacityofTHISbitch · 20/05/2023 16:59

AtomicBlondeRose · 20/05/2023 13:57

Also if he starts sixth form and attends until a certain date they get funding for him. Students usually behave well at the start of Y12 so they’ll be happy to have him for a whole but if he gets up to his old tricks they’ll turf him once they’ve got the money so I’d watch out for that.

If the student leaves after a certain time the school will take a hit on the retention factor in years to come. The funding also gets reduced for that year. It's all about completion of the programme of study. So it's not sensible for a school to take in weak students into their 6th form.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 20/05/2023 17:02

LolaSmiles · 20/05/2023 13:56

Two instances of being a bit rude don't generally lead to being told you're on study leave. Either what was said was more than being rude or it's the final part of a long line of issues.

Glad I read this as it was going to be my comment.

Workyticket · 20/05/2023 17:10

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 20/05/2023 17:02

Glad I read this as it was going to be my comment.

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100% this. Gives the kids who aren't disruptive a bit of respite from those who take up too much of the teachers time pissing about.

ThickSkinnedSoWhat · 20/05/2023 17:14

robotchez · 20/05/2023 13:47

OK thanks all, a responding yes here. Thing is I'm worried he won't be motivated to learn at home and will miss out on a lot of lessons prior to his exams. on a day where he has two exams he will travel in sit an exam, travel back at lunchtime stay here for all of 20 minutes and then travel back to school for second exam. yes i understand he should learn etc but is right in the middle of his gcses the best time to teach him?

Maybe he should have thought about that before behaving the way he did

Stomacharmeleon · 20/05/2023 17:14

Conditional upon behaviour as well as grades? I would definitely check as to whether this affects sixth form.

WombatChocolate · 20/05/2023 17:27

Lots of kids long for study leave. They find having the time at home to get on and revise more useful than sessions in school. Selective schools tend to give study leave to everyone from just before GCSEs start. Teachers will be available for help, but timetabled lessons don’t happen.

I would help him think a bit more about his behaviour. Point out that they aren’t telling him to study at home purely based on one incident. He has a record of this kind of stuff and his presence is a hinderance to others studying and doing their best. This should be food for thought. Point out to him that he’s lucky they are still willing to have him back for 6th Form, but it will be vital to toe the line if he wants to remain, as any misdemeanours can result in being asked to leave a 6th Form.

It’s a wake-up call for you all. There are only so many 2nd chances. His behaviour is impacting him now, because school are deciding that they aren’t willing for his behaviour to have a negative effect on other students’ learning. He needs to get down to studying at home and use the time well.

Help him accept the consequences and make the most of the situation, rather than looking for ways to wriggle out if it. These are everyone’s exams and it is right for school to remove him if his presence is spoiling it for others.

mirages08 · 20/05/2023 17:34

For breaching behaviour policy?
Yes.
ALL pupils are stressed and anxious, they don't all behave as your child has.
Be grateful its not a fixed term exclusion (I'm assuming that's only because we are in the examination window).

Windowcleaning · 20/05/2023 17:46

robotchez what the school mean by asking your child to go on study leave and saying that they really want him back for sixth form is likely that they do not want him to fuck up the last few weeks of year 11.

They have likely asked other children who have behaved disruptively to go on study leave and it would be unfair not to ask your ds to do the same.

As noblegiraffe says, if he is allowed back in the school, it doesn't mean that he would be attending lessons. I know my children's school would use probably more than a day in the 'reflection room' ie out of classes for being rude to a teacher.

It's a good idea to call on Monday and ask them to clarify. In the meantime, use the weekend to work out a revision timetable with your ds (yes, I KNOW some kids have been revising independently for months, but if they all did that, there would be no need for lessons at school so they clearly don't).

It's not long now - hope that the rest of his exams go well.

SwedishDeathClearance · 20/05/2023 18:17

robotchez · 20/05/2023 16:04

They have a conditional offer @SwedishDeathClearance

Conditional on grades
And behaviour?

Somanycats · 20/05/2023 18:35

DS was put on study leave before GCSEs thank God as he was properly on the way to assaulting someone if he had remained. Your boy needs to make this work for him and get on with his revision. DS was a high achiever tbf but outdid himself and never went back to that school as he was so pissed off with them and he easily got the grades to join the grammar school sixth form so jumped ship.
If your boy isn't well liked at school or doesn't like them, why is he going back? Why isn't he applying for other places? It seems a bit childish to stay somewhere where things are not working out for him for whatever reason.

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