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10 GCSEs - the norm?

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ImStillMe · 28/12/2022 19:04

DDs school expect 10 GCSEs to be taken (including 3 separate sciences).

Is this the norm now, and is 10 expected by RG universities? I took 8 in my day...

DD is predicted 7-9 in all her subjects but has a health issue which means I think 10 is a lot.

What is the process if you don't think your child can sit all 10? Her invisible illness means she presents as well but as her parent I see her fatigue etc...

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listsandbudgets · 28/12/2022 20:03

DD did 11 but one was further maths whuch was done by school but off normal time table.. (,8am on a Monday morning!). It was normal at her school to.donat leart 10 and then there were a number of extras off timetable for people with particular interests

BackT · 28/12/2022 20:07

Private school does 9 max. A lot drop to 8.

I think 8 top grades is better than 11 middling grades.

Madcats · 28/12/2022 20:11

I had to double check her report, but 9 is the norm for kids at DD's selective £ school. The ones struggling with science will just do 2 science (so 8), and the ones doing acing classics will do Greek & Latin and the Maths stars will do further maths.

For A levels they start with 4 (or 5) and then normally drop one after a year.

School has taken the view that it is better to do fewer, better, if they are chasing a top Uni place (in competition with all the foreign students paying considerably more to study).

ZaZathecat · 28/12/2022 20:35

This is from gov.uk. You can see that only about 14%of pupils took 10 or more GCSEs.

10 GCSEs - the norm?
OrangePomander · 28/12/2022 20:35

Dd did 10 (bog-standard comp school). That was with the three separate sciences.

mondaytosunday · 28/12/2022 22:08

Our school it was 9 plus an extra - which could be another GCSE like RS or an Arts Award or Business Enterprise thing and so on, though there were some who did 8.
I don't think unis care that much - 8 would certainly be fine, though that generally means the student can't choose more than one option like DT or music.

keepaweatheredeye · 28/12/2022 22:15

I did 13 22 years ago and was fine!!

Abraxan · 28/12/2022 22:22

8 or 9 is the norm.

Any more, unless the child is particularly interested in a subject, is unnecessary.

Some schools try to get children to do a gcse a year or two early though many are stopping this practise. Again, an unnecessary thing to do, especially as many HE places only look at the ones taken together in the same year apart from maybe maths, if further maths is then taken the following year and a good grade is gained in both.

Some schools just like the idea of a high number to be able to boast about. But they isn't really much benefit.

I did 11 several years ago - again, pointless and never been needed.

Mangolist · 28/12/2022 22:25

Ours took 9 each which I think is plenty!

Oblomov22 · 28/12/2022 23:26

Interesting. Wide variety.

lottie198 · 28/12/2022 23:27

I took 14!! Although I was a trial year to see if we could manage it. X

lottie198 · 28/12/2022 23:29

I was meant to add the ones I took-
English lang
English lit
Maths
Chemistry
Biology
Physics
ICT
PE
History
Sociology
Theatre studies
French
German
Religious studies

Taken in 2012

Greatly · 28/12/2022 23:31

2reefsin30knots · 28/12/2022 19:07

I'm hoping mine will just do 8. He's bright and will probably be able to get all 7-9s but also does a sport to a high level and doing 8 would be much more manageable.

Two of mine did a lot of sport and one did 8 and one 9. This was in the last few years. Both at RG unis.

PuttingDownRoots · 28/12/2022 23:40

Its 9 at DDs school I believe
2x English
Maths
3 x Science
3x options

Some options are vocational like Animal Care rather than academic subjects.

I did 9 plus 2 halfs 20 years ago and a Grammar school. Again standard amount. I have 4 Alevels plus an AS level.

BonjourCrisette · 28/12/2022 23:41

BackT · 28/12/2022 20:07

Private school does 9 max. A lot drop to 8.

I think 8 top grades is better than 11 middling grades.

Maybe some private schools. DD is at a private school and is doing 11. I am glad she isn't doing 8, that seems really narrow in terms of curriculum.

Itstarts · 28/12/2022 23:42

11 GCSEs expected at DCs school.

Greatly · 28/12/2022 23:43

I think if you are super academic and have no other commitments you can do 10 at dds private school.

W0tnow · 29/12/2022 04:29

9, but 4 A levels and EPQ

Gobimanchurian · 29/12/2022 05:09

My 15 yo boy /girl twins are at 2 different.l schools. One school does 9 as standard, the other does 10.

Gobimanchurian · 29/12/2022 05:16

Gobimanchurian · 29/12/2022 05:09

My 15 yo boy /girl twins are at 2 different.l schools. One school does 9 as standard, the other does 10.

I should say they are at selective Grammar's in Trafford. DD's who do 9 (Alty Girls) take the view of doing fewer and aiming for better grades for top Uni places. Subjects are based around e-baccalaureate subjects

English language & literature
Maths
Science x 2 (trilogy) or 3 separate subjects
1 x humanity - History or geography
1 x language

Then choices which could be another humanity, language or other (drama, pe, business etc). Son's school mandate a tech subject also which is the extra.

sashh · 29/12/2022 05:33

FrippEnos · 28/12/2022 19:34

I am surprised at this as schools are scored on the progress in the top 8 subjects at gcse.

Some children take GCSEs at different ages to the usual 16. In a special school you might only do 2 or 3 or sometimes none at all. The special school near me they have a GCSE stream and a non exam stream, the GCSE stream take 3 GCSEs.

BTEC and OCR Level 2 courses are GCSE equivalent but don't count in the tables any more.

Some children are not in education at 16.

Children who are home educated often take GCSEs sequentially rather than all at once.

Children in private schools may be held back a year or may be progressed more quickly.

Back in the days of O Levels a couple of school in my town had a stream that took O Levels a year early and then spent 3 years in VI form.

PerpetualOptimist · 29/12/2022 10:04

OP, you have asked a general question related to a specific context. In terms of the specific, as others say, it is sensible to engage with the school about your DD; you may be planning this anyway.

In terms of the general, PPs indicate a wide variation in approaches by schools. You can dig into the detail for your DD's school and other state schools via the Gov link I give at the end of the post. This shows average GSCEs taken and breaks down by prior attainment (ie SAT score bands).

My DC went to a non-selective comp with a very mixed socio-economic catchment. The approach is that students sit 11 GCSEs (inc 3 science, RS, plus 4 options) unless there are compelling reasons otherwise. In practice a substantial minority take 11 in one sitting, the majority take 8-10 (dropping RS and/or taking only 3 electives and/or taking double science). The remainder take 7 or fewer GCSEs and/or combine with other qualifications.

The school has good progress 8 scores for students at all levels of academic ability. The trimming of GCSEs taken is done logically and sensitively at different stages.

I am interested to hear that a large number of schools, particularly private and state GS, cap the total number to ensure a smaller number of better grades for their own stats and for entry to competitive unis. I understand the logic but it does risk forcing subject specialisation even further down the age range.

My DC ended up with a mixture of GCSE grades, and probably partly because of the number taken, but did develop the confidence and skills to manage a large and varied workload and closed off fewer future pathways (this proved useful for both); they and I also knew that GCSEs could be trimmed if necessary and that would not be perceived as abnormal or somehow 'bad'.

Different posters will have different perspectives and there is no single correct answer. I simply wanted to suggest that it is too simplistic to say 'fewer is always better' and that there can be benefits to stretching students so long as sensible systems and expectations are in place.

www.find-school-performance-data.service.gov.uk/

gogohmm · 29/12/2022 10:14

Dd1 took 12, dd2 took 11

fUNNYfACE36 · 29/12/2022 10:22

My kids GS 10 or 11 is the norm, 2 x English, 3x science, mfl, maths ( and fm if you are decent), 3 options 0.00. There is the option of Latin as a twilight too, but hardly anyone takes this up.

cantkeepawayforever · 29/12/2022 18:27

Leafy comp - DS did 10 (standard - 5 ‘fixed’ and 5 chosen from 5 option blocks). Dd did 11 because Additional Maths was an after school club. I would agree that this was really good from a ‘breadth of options’ point of view, as both did 2xMFL, each did at least one ‘Arts’ subject, each did at least one ‘Humanity’ subject.

Two of the option blocks had additional study support for those pupils needing it, rather than extra subjects, so it was overall based around a minimum of 8, maximum of 10 model. Obviously those with higher levels of need had further tailoring of timetables, often starting much younger - eg additional English work when others started a second MFL in Year 8.

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