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Head of NLCS left suddenly?

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dreadingthetime · 30/04/2022 22:09

Can current parents shed light on this please?

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pkim123 · 04/05/2022 07:31

DorotheaDiamond · 03/05/2022 21:52

As an ONL I’m dying to know what’s going on!

for those hung up on % A+ do remember it does depend on how many a levels are taken. Is a school where all pupils take 3 and get 3a+ (100%) better than one where they all do 4 and get 3a+ and an A (75%)?

(sorry using + to avoid formatting issues)

Completely agree. Difficult to compare A-levels across schools. The mix of subjects and number of tests taken make the comparisons murky. That said, the person posting that NLCS should certainly get 60-70% "A*" grades is completely inaccurate. The very best schools do not achieve anything like that, and NLCS is "#16" on the list, so let's just do a reality check.

More to the point of this thread, the Head has left for what I'm hearing are variety of reasons, not just over-inflated A-level results.

JulieBeds · 04/05/2022 09:07

90% at A*???

That's handing out A*s like they're confetti.

Sort of takes the piss and is a disservice to others who have tried equally hard but not been able to take advantage of the confetti parade.

JulieBeds · 04/05/2022 09:08

Ah, Mumsnet doesn't allow an asterisk. Rewritten to take account of that:

90% at A star???

That's handing out A stars like they're confetti.

Sort of takes the piss and is a disservice to others who have tried equally hard but not been able to take advantage of the confetti parade.

pkim123 · 04/05/2022 09:48

JulieBeds · 04/05/2022 09:08

Ah, Mumsnet doesn't allow an asterisk. Rewritten to take account of that:

90% at A star???

That's handing out A stars like they're confetti.

Sort of takes the piss and is a disservice to others who have tried equally hard but not been able to take advantage of the confetti parade.

Yup, that's right. King's Math's gets less than 60% "A*", on what planet would NLCS get 90%?!

WayDownInTheHole · 04/05/2022 19:24

pkim123 · 04/05/2022 07:31

Completely agree. Difficult to compare A-levels across schools. The mix of subjects and number of tests taken make the comparisons murky. That said, the person posting that NLCS should certainly get 60-70% "A*" grades is completely inaccurate. The very best schools do not achieve anything like that, and NLCS is "#16" on the list, so let's just do a reality check.

More to the point of this thread, the Head has left for what I'm hearing are variety of reasons, not just over-inflated A-level results.

Can you share these reasons?

pkim123 · 04/05/2022 20:12

WayDownInTheHole · 04/05/2022 19:24

Can you share these reasons?

I really wish I could tell you, but my source reads MN and I will not betray their trust. Sorry.

Talbot53 · 04/05/2022 22:38

I baffled as to how they managed to get those results published.

I would have expected their proposed number to simply be rejected. All schools should have been required to make sure their covid affected predictions were no more than 3-4% above the previous, examined year.

It's silly.

WayDownInTheHole · 05/05/2022 22:07

pkim123 · 04/05/2022 20:12

I really wish I could tell you, but my source reads MN and I will not betray their trust. Sorry.

Fair!

atotalshambles · 09/05/2022 14:38

wow - it will be interesting to see the results this year when pupils will be sitting actual exams and feel so sorry for kids who were given 'teach'er assessed grades' for the last 2 years.

pkim123 · 15/05/2022 12:18

dreadingthetime · 30/04/2022 22:09

Can current parents shed light on this please?

When you look at the school's history, it's clear that something went wrong with Sarah Clark. Her tenure was so short relative to others before her.

Head of NLCS left suddenly?
Xenia · 15/05/2022 16:04

Yes, my daughter was there from 7 - 18 with a very good head and very good exam results - sometimes within the top 3 in the whole country for A levels with Eton so top of the very top and very very hard to get in and very selective. Even then I think the most was about 33% with highest grades and into Oxbridge.

36% A star at A level in 2019 was not surprising and about right. I cannot understand why anyone would think it right in 2020 to submit teacher assessed grades which were so out of kilter - it was not as if the school has anything to prove - it is one of the best for girls in London. Very sad.

Teacher95 · 18/07/2022 20:10

Do we know any more about why they left yet?

Bimkom · 19/07/2022 12:49

pkim123 · 03/05/2022 19:43

Here's the data for A* grades at all top schools, just the facts:

www.londonpreprep.com/2019/08/a-level-results-2019/

@pkim123 Thank you very much for these statistics. With all the fuss I had wondered what my DS's (private) school had done (although they didn't seem to be showing up on any of the lists of major increases I had seen in the newspapers when the scandal broke), and now I know why. Compared with what they got in 2019 compared with what is on the website, the number of A stars in 2021 apparently went up 0.8 % and the number of A star to A by 1%.
Slightly reassuring that they didn't play the system - although no doubt my DS's three A stars (plus A star EPQ) in 2021 will be tarnished by association with what went on elsewhere. That is an additional problem for the NCLS girls. Now those girls who would have got the A stars in an exam year have nothing to show for it, they will just be lumped in with those who wouldn't. Wish they had/would publicise those schools that didn't really increase instead of lumping all private schools together.

Xenia · 19/07/2022 14:18

Yes those 33 A star NLCS 2019 is right (and 50% St Paul's is high) and perhaps all those show grade inflation since my daughters did their A levels before A stars existed a good while back; but the teacher assessed grades of the last 2 years have been a big complication. I would never have cancelled public exams. All 5 of my children did GCSEs, then AS levels and then A levels. Yet in 2022 children doing A levels have not even done GCSEs never mind AS levels!

TizerorFizz · 19/07/2022 14:28

@Xenia
A* and As have gone through the roof in 12 years and universities are bound to wonder who is truly the best! The results at NLCS also show is lack of enquiring into grades before they are awarded. 90% is an outlier. So why not look more closely before results are announced? I agree. Sitting the exams would have been preferable but that would have been howled down too!

Xenia · 19/07/2022 17:18

Yes it makes no sense to anyone who even has half a brain. Even if that year group was unusually full of the best upper sixth group ever in the country you would need some justification for it before sending in a very high load of A*s. It is very sad as it is a lovely and very good school and my daughter loved it there and did well. So I hope it can get back to normal with grades that are about right in 2022 now we have full exams again.

It is veryh complex for HR people later (I have university age youngest children) to compare years too as someone might have a gap oyear so have real 2019 A levels for 2020 entry v. someone of the same date of graduation who did no A levels and just had TAGs.

TizerorFizz · 19/07/2022 18:30

I think employers will have to introduce more complex and searching tests. Degree awards are a bit suspect too from some places.

WombatChocolate · 20/07/2022 13:11

I can understand how the over-inflating happened.

Whatever Heads at independent schools say about not being bothered by exam results and league tables, they are usually very interested in it. In 2020 which was the first year of teacher grades, the whole system was chaos. Schools were asked to submit broadly in line with previous results. Many did this and some inflated. Then after all the furore about the use of an algorithm, the grades the system had given were abandoned and instead the teacher grades were used. At that point, schools which had ignored the recommendations to go with typical ratios of grades were the ‘winners’ and their kids got the inflated grades. Some independent schools who had been much more conservative even found themselves being sued for not giving high enough grades. Their argument that they could only give X% to A* as that was their historic average didn’t hold water with parents who knew other schools had given far more and then got away with it.

So come the following year when teacher grades were again to be given, and no algorithm was even suggested, pretty much all schools over inflated. It became a question of ‘how much could you get away with’ really. Schools knew that the system wouldn’t have enough staff to seriously challenge many results, and given it was all based on whatever teachers wanted to use and how they wanted to interpret it, some schools decided to push it more than others. Knowing schools the previous year who had been conservative had ‘lost out’ or even been sued all incentivised schools to boost it higher and higher. I guess those close to the top of the league tables, who perhaps felt under pressure to try to maintain their position or rise a place or two were especially worried that if they didn’t raise them by whatever they did, that others would and they would lose out. I can totally see how it happened. Who was to say whether a 15% rise would be okay or a 60% rise or 80% rise? NLCS just happens to be the one that chose the biggest percentage rise. Would it have been acceptable if it was 35% instead? All the schools in the lists basically did it. Lots of state schools did it too and while it might not have boosted A* grades so much, the boosting of oerhaos C to B or similar was often as big a leap - but without quite so much attention.

In my view, schools couldn’t really win, and in the independent sector with parental pressure that was especially the case. If they were conservative and realistic, they would be criticised and out of kilter with others. If they were generous, they risked the attention they have got. And in reality, it was impossible to say what grade a student would definitely get. Every year over 80% of UCAS predictions are wrong - usually too generous. Schools can often suggest on a broader level what % of the cohort will get different grades, but they usually can’t pinpoint the exact students. They might be able to say that 25% will probably get A. But although they might know that 10% are pretty certain, the other 15% might come from 50% of the year group. So, in a year if teacher grades, where 50% of the cohort had a chance of an A, you’d outdone argue that 50% would be the right number to give - because essentially everyone had to be given the benefit of the doubt…as long as the doubt had some basis to it.

It will be interesting tos we what happens this time round. Will there be any attempt to suppress the results if certain types if school? That is very difficult and can be shown up fairly easily? Will the grades really be at a half way mark between 2019 and 2021? We will see. I’d suspect the generous side is more likely.

Phineyj · 22/07/2022 20:05

I was generous but realistic with my TAGS. I was expecting there to be some sort of external quality assurance and I didn't want to risk the grades at the top by being too generous at the bottom. I put in hundreds of extra hours setting and invigilating tests and moderating.

Boy; did I get in trouble, when one of the students missed their university offer and their insurance (they made the points but not the grades).

It was a thoroughly miserable experience with no right thing to do for anyone as the guidance was so vague and useless.

I have no connection with NLCS but by God it was an awful few months.

Phineyj · 22/07/2022 20:07

I think the stat is 4% of TAGs were changed by the pathetic quality assurance. 4%!

Phineyj · 22/07/2022 20:11

Oh and there was nothing preventing students being given papers in advance where tests were used. I refused to do that as I thought it was unethical and also stupid (surely answers would have been, er, commissioned?)

Basically if one had wanted to produce evidence that 66% were working at A* standard, it could certainly have been done.

But it's the optics, isn't it, even if you don't care about the ethics?

Xenia · 22/07/2022 20:28

It was just awful all round - in fact in my view the pandemic was worst for those doing GCSEs and A levels than just about any other group other than those people dying of covid and those working with them.

I would hope 2022 results were similar to 2019 in terms of the percentage getting A stars.

Phineyj · 22/07/2022 20:36

Yes, I would hope some generosity with mark bands might cancel out the undoubted issues with the students not having sat GCSEs.

Although not great news that one of the exam boards is having industrial action.

TizerorFizz · 22/07/2022 22:23

I bet the results will still be stonkingly high and too many DC won’t have truly earned the grades as they would have done 10-12 years ago. It’s now extremely difficult to differentiate between top grade candidates for university places as most universities don’t interview.

KingscoteStaff · 24/07/2022 09:56

pkim123 · 02/05/2022 08:28

Many Heads will be in the same boat, as several schools added 30-35% percentage points to their A grades. However, NLCS went far further adding over 56% points to their A grades. All schools were wrong for doing this, but NLCS just made a complete mockery of the situation. I feel for the students and parents as this really puts the school in a bad light.

@pkim123 Is that the list of top inflation for just London schools?