my child at school app.

VelvetChairGirl · 2022-02-25T15:41:27+00:00

Looking at Behaviour on the app today it says event: truancy (god knows what that means I assume he missed that class, thats not what I call truancy). but at the bottom it says action: IE what does IE mean? does anyone know?

Ohyesiam · 25/02/2022 15:48

I’m guessing Internal Exclusion, which from my experience would say it’s not the first offence.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 25/02/2022 15:49

IE in my school is internal exclusion. Maybe they bunked a lessons so got put in the IE room

Catsbythefireside · 25/02/2022 15:49

How is purposefully missing a class not truancy? I’m not trying to be an arse there but it clearly is!

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VelvetChairGirl · 25/02/2022 16:01

@Catsbythefireside

How is purposefully missing a class not truancy? I’m not trying to be an arse there but it clearly is!

because truancy means missing school, not being in school.

they also put unauthorized absence when he's late which I think is bollocks, I take him to school so I know he gets there, but if I didnt and he went to school alone and I read that in the morning I'd think he hadn't reached the school and would be phoning them wondering where he is.

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VelvetChairGirl · 25/02/2022 16:03

@Ohyesiam

I’m guessing Internal Exclusion, which from my experience would say it’s not the first offence.

ah thats probably it thanks.

yes he's SEN and theres been a lot of problems at this school but they were the only one that would take him on, they claimed they could deal with him, seemingly not.

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Catsbythefireside · 25/02/2022 16:03

I’d definitely class truancy as deliberately missing a lesson.

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VelvetChairGirl · 25/02/2022 16:05

@Catsbythefireside

I’d definitely class truancy as deliberately missing a lesson.

the dictionary definition is "the action of staying away from school without good reason; absenteeism."

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OnceuponaRainbow18 · 25/02/2022 16:07

We count bunking a lesson as truancy. So integral
Truancy, which is rife in my school.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 25/02/2022 16:08

Internal truancy even

MaizeAmaze · 25/02/2022 16:11

I've seen reference to internal truancy in some schools, which I guess is a better description. He is in the building, but not where he is supposed to be.

The unauthorized absence will be because he has missed registration. So as far as school record keeping systems are concerned he isn't recorded as in school for the morning session, even if you get him there for the majority of the first session.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 25/02/2022 16:41

@VelvetChairGirl

Does your son have an EHCP? Can you meet with the SENCo and see how he’s getting on, what support he’s getting and what else they can do to support him?

greatwave · 25/02/2022 17:46

DfE guidance is that a child is marked L for late if they're late by a few minutes but arrive before the teacher closes the register (usu approx five or ten minutes after they're meant to arrive), and U for unauthorised absence any time after that. So if they're meant to arrive by 8.45, then anything between perhaps 8.45 and 8.55 would be marked as an L for the morning session, and anything after 8.55 would be a U. (Timings will vary from school to school.)

harrumphs · 25/02/2022 18:01

@greatwave

DfE guidance is that a child is marked L for late if they're late by a few minutes but arrive before the teacher closes the register (usu approx five or ten minutes after they're meant to arrive), and U for unauthorised absence any time after that. So if they're meant to arrive by 8.45, then anything between perhaps 8.45 and 8.55 would be marked as an L for the morning session, and anything after 8.55 would be a U. (Timings will vary from school to school.)

But is there then a differentiation on the records / reports / stats between a child that was 30mins late but attended every lesson and one that just didn't show up to school?

harrumphs · 25/02/2022 18:02

I wish our school had this app. I'd love more info on how my DC is doing without having to email the school to to ask for the info.

taylorsdoingapart · 25/02/2022 18:11

@harrumphs

I wish our school had this app. I'd love more info on how my DC is doing without having to email the school to to ask for the info.

Same. My DS has SEN and I'm worried he spends a lot of time out of lessons. An app like this would give me data to approach the school with.

greatwave · 25/02/2022 18:55

Not sure. In primary school, from an attendance point of view, no difference. (Though the child would presumably be in school for their afternoon registration mark, so they'd be 'absent' for half a day not a whole day.) Not sure how it works in secondary - I imagine it's the same from a formal attendance point if view, but I guess a school might also have an internal system of registering children for each individual lesson.

greatwave · 25/02/2022 18:57

NB it's generally the U marks that are taken into account for things like assessing holiday fines and attendance orders. So a U is much more important than an L.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 25/02/2022 19:07

@greatwave

Secondaries register for each lesson, as kids have a habit of coming in and picking and choosing which lessons to go to, so when I take a register if they aren’t in my lesson I can see if they’ve been marked in at all that day!

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VelvetChairGirl · 25/02/2022 19:30

[quote OnceuponaRainbow18]@VelvetChairGirl

Does your son have an EHCP? Can you meet with the SENCo and see how he’s getting on, what support he’s getting and what else they can do to support him?[/quote]
yes he does I keep having meetings with the senco and that place is a disorganized mess with zero consistancy.

he told me today he only had 1 of his 3 interventions this week because they were too busy to give him the other 2 and kept saying they would do it later, and they have introduced another rule without telling anyone until someone breaks it (no resting your head on the desk).

the truancy was because he tried to use his card in class because he was pissed off (he can use the card 3 times a day for a 10 min timeout each time) so he used the card and went down to medical to relax because he likes it there and the teacher considered that a truancy because he sodded off and wasnt outside the classroom.

even tho the card says on he can do his timeout either outside the class or in medical.

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OnceuponaRainbow18 · 25/02/2022 19:33

@VelvetChairGirl

That sounds like a communication issue; maybe the teacher didn’t know he was at the medical area, maybe the medical area need to email his teacher when he arrives there so they know, otherwise it’s a safeguarding issue as his teacher teacher doesn’t know his where abouts.

Is his EHCP being met? Is the school able to meet his needs? Is he happy there?

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VelvetChairGirl · 25/02/2022 19:33

@greatwave

DfE guidance is that a child is marked L for late if they're late by a few minutes but arrive before the teacher closes the register (usu approx five or ten minutes after they're meant to arrive), and U for unauthorised absence any time after that. So if they're meant to arrive by 8.45, then anything between perhaps 8.45 and 8.55 would be marked as an L for the morning session, and anything after 8.55 would be a U. (Timings will vary from school to school.)

register is 5 mins after the gates close and now all the kids have to enter thru one gate and theres uniform checks at the gate so theres a queue at the gate now. (thats a new thing this week, they had 2 gates open before and no uniform checks at entry).

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VelvetChairGirl · 25/02/2022 19:35

@harrumphs

I wish our school had this app. I'd love more info on how my DC is doing without having to email the school to to ask for the info.

it doesnt really show much, have a look at the reviews on the app stores. it doesnt have any details so you still have to contact them to try and figure out whats going on.

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VelvetChairGirl · 25/02/2022 19:39

[quote OnceuponaRainbow18]@greatwave

Secondaries register for each lesson, as kids have a habit of coming in and picking and choosing which lessons to go to, so when I take a register if they aren’t in my lesson I can see if they’ve been marked in at all that day![/quote]
some times he gets detentions which he doesn't do but it shows up on the app, for not going to class when he has an intervention, he is supposed to have a slip to show the teacher but sometimes he doesn't have one or just doesn't bother going to show them because the class room is up several flights of stairs and the intervention is on the ground floor.

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VelvetChairGirl · 25/02/2022 19:50

[quote OnceuponaRainbow18]@VelvetChairGirl

That sounds like a communication issue; maybe the teacher didn’t know he was at the medical area, maybe the medical area need to email his teacher when he arrives there so they know, otherwise it’s a safeguarding issue as his teacher teacher doesn’t know his where abouts.

Is his EHCP being met? Is the school able to meet his needs? Is he happy there?[/quote]
he hates it there, I would say no it isnt being met but he only started in september, things are changing its like starting from scratch.

so far he has gotten the timeout card which I said about, they have gotten a tent with a pall pit in it for the relax room which other students use and also has a weighted blanket and been bag in it, I said before half term about giving him something to smash up and the senco said she would look into getting him some playdoh or something to smoosh and punch but they haven't yet.

theres supposed to be group anger management at some point but that hasn't started yet, he gets counseling, he is supposed to get handwriting and maths help those are the 2 he hasn't had this week.

and they were sending me daily reports by email about how his day had been, after I said about that to the senco just before half term but that seems to have stopped not had any this week.

the teachers are inconsistent with the rules, them understanding that he is SEN is a problem some of them seem to get it others dont and 1 outright said to me they cant treat him differently to the other students as that would be setting a bad example to the other kids (the senco said she would have words with that teacher about that and I am pretty sure she did as that one seems ok now).

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Imitatingdory · 25/02/2022 20:30

If the EHCP isn’t being followed and is specified and quantified you can enforce it. Complain to the LA as it is them who are ultimately responsible for ensuring the provision in section F is delivered. If the provision still isn’t provided you can look at beginning Judicial Review proceedings.

Are the sensory adjustments/interventions and anger management group specified and quantified in section F?

Do you think the school can meet DS’s needs?

Are you receiving mileage for taking DS to school? DS would be eligible for transport so if you haven’t chosen mileage instead look into transport.