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Acland Burghley

33 replies

AJH40 · 31/01/2022 09:53

Has anyone had any experience with this school? I have literally just had to pull my son out as it's been beyond horrific. My son was literally assaulted in class, a huge target for bullies and it got to the point where my home address was circulated around the year group and children were abusing my nanny on the street.

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SamBee1 · 31/01/2022 14:03

Yes, lots of experience.

But this sounds like a case for the headteacher, the governors and possibly the police in that order - with mumsnet coming down the list? Have you done that?

Camdenish · 31/01/2022 21:00

Yes, I’ve experience of the school. What would you like to know?

Your post sounds similar to a local family who seem like they’ve had a particularly tough time with the school. I’m not up to date with the case I’m afraid.

I know many families whose children are happy andsettled there.

Lndndad · 09/01/2023 12:01

SamBee, Camdenish, I guess what the OP meant was (and I would be interested to know as well) whether she was just unlucky or bullying is a serious issue at AB. It is our local comp and although parents with children attending are raving about it, posts like AJH40's one would put me off entirely from even considering putting that choice down. I guess a lot of parents are keen to understand the true nature of AB - is it really this great school with this great headteacher turning it around and on the up etc or is it really an awful place where children don't learn anything as they spend most of their time hiding from bullies - and bullyism being tolerated/ignored/not addressed?

tpmumtobe · 09/01/2023 12:16

Yes, lots of experience, all incredibly positive, including an incident of bullying which was handled swiftly and effectively and resolved within 24 hours. My child has moderate SEN and the pastoral care has been simply outstanding and academic support is superb.

I'm very sorry you've had such a negative experience. I assume you've spoken to the Head and Governors?

Lndndad · 09/01/2023 17:53

Another not-so-incredibly-positive experience:

www.camdennewjournal.co.uk/article/school-discriminated-against-disabled-pupil

Camdenish · 10/01/2023 07:51

@Lndndad I assumed the OP was the parent of the child in the article.

dartmouthparker · 10/01/2023 08:56

This is one of our local schools (DS in year 5) and would appreciate some up to date views. Seems to be quite a 'marmite' school - I've heard both that it's fantastically creative and nurturing with a real sense of community...but also that it's rife with social problems and somewhat fails more academic kids - teaching not brilliant etc.

Despite the negative views, it seems to have become increasingly popular each year with local families. Have heard catchment will become even smaller now because William Ellis (other local option for boys) has been downgraded by Oftsted.

Would love to hear any experience or views - good or bad! Thanks.

tpmumtobe · 10/01/2023 10:53

@Lndndad as did I....

Katykentish · 18/05/2023 19:19

My daughter is at AB and absolutely loves it I’d highly recommend the school

Magnoliainbloom · 20/05/2023 12:40

OP are you the mother in the article?

Mumma5crazies · 31/08/2023 23:55

This school is horrific. My sons needs were failed here and in addition to this he was taken advantage of and bullied for an extended period of time. I brought it to the attention of the school only for them to do absolutely nothing. He no longer attends and the bullying escalated to a level that police were involved and we needed to move house. Had the school addressed it to begin with it would never have gotten so bad. The school was aware at every point and the head teacher was emailed live feeds of the cyber bullying and threats th at went on late into the night and still didn’t act for months.

in addition I’m aware of another girl who suffered similar, and two children who were left unattended in the tech room and suffered serious injuries.

This is all in addition to the poor teaching and poor behaviour management. Their choice at GCSE options isn’t very good either.

Lndndad · 01/09/2023 07:25

Mumma5crazies, I’m assuming you are not the OP? Or the family the Camden Journal refers to?

Mumma5crazies · 01/09/2023 11:38

I am neither. It’s strange that people find it so hard to believe that so many people have the same issues with lack of SEN provision and bullying that is fuelled by the schools incompetence. Had I had the energy and money to pursue it, I was informed by a solicitor that our case would have won a disability discrimination claim against the school. I take it you’re a member of staff at the school?

Lndndad · 01/09/2023 15:12

No I’m not a member of staff at the school. I just wanted to understand if they were two separate events or the same. I’m just a parent of a 9yo trying to collect as much information about the school as I can. So far there seem to be two very different opinions - one saying the school
is great and that their children are loving going there, another that it is a horrendous place of bullying which is ignored and not addressed by the staff. I cannot quite figure how the two can coexist, hence my requests for more information.

NCforthi5 · 01/09/2023 18:36

NC for this so that I can be blunt. I'm not a governor nor do I work for, or am associated with AB, but my son goes there currently.

AB is a bit of a marmite school. What I really value about it is the general freedom it gives its students. No uniform. No sitting in isolation due to the "wrong" haircut or shoes. Teachers seek to mediate rather than punish.

This can come with obvious drawbacks like disruption to class. The impression I get from my son is that there isn't a lot of crackdown on the disrupting kids. However, as he's moved along into the upper years, he doesn't see a lot of the badly-behaved kids because they've filtered down into the different sets, so his classes tend to be more peaceful and focused. Prospective parents might want to look into how the bottom sets are, but I can report that the top sets tend to be well-taught with not a lot of disruption. There've been a few cases where supply teachers taught for longer than I would have liked, to cover gaps, but from what I hear, that's happening in many schools.

My son has additional needs and had a horrendous time with bullies in his last year of primary (Y6) so I was very ready to act re: bullying. There were a few occasions where I felt he was picked on, and a few incidents he reported someone shoved him or the like. Every time I had to contact the school I felt listened to, although there was one case where I felt the aggressor ought to have been dealt with more robustly. Conversely, my son was hit while in the lunch line by a boy a few years above and that was dealt with quickly and with a decent amount of transparency. He's not had any incidents over the past 18 months or so.

HoY was always very responsive and ready to act when I contacted them. I think the safeguarding and some of the pastoral care is actually pretty good at the school and they are proactive when reaching out about my son's SEN. They ran a DofE expedition earlier this year which got a 100% pass rate and I'm generally happy with the extracurricular clubs provided. If you have a musically-inclined kid or someone into dance, this is a good school to look at. Acting seems to have decent provision too, along with art.

Some parents will look at the school and see rough edges and some parents kinda prefer that less-polished vibe, so it comes down to your own preferences. I like the fact that they don't hide their SEN provision or sweep those kids under the carpet. I like that my son doesn't have to raise his hand and ask permission to take off a stuffy blazer.

Could things be better? Yes. But from what I see and hear from other state schools, education all round needs major funding and TLC, and the fact that AB isn't an academy is important to me, as is the fact that they don't hand out detentions for using the wrong pen or wearing odd socks. On the flip side of that, if your kid isn't a self-starter or requires lots of external discipline in order to succeed, you might want a school that cracks down more sharply.

At the end of everything, it's horses for courses. Go along to the open evening, check things out in person, and have a chat with the student ambassadors. Look at everything as logically as possible, make a list of pros and cons, and then tap into your gut feeling. Do they reconcile? If not, can they?

Lndndad · 02/09/2023 08:35

Thanks for the honest report - the best I got so far (I got a few). I did go to the open evening last year and I wasn’t too impressed. The head seemed to have big plans and surely tried to sell the school the best he could. Considering the intake, without a very robust policy on discipline, inevitably you get the disruption your son describes as a minimum, up to the outright bullying others have described. Few unchallenged bad eggs ruining it for everyone else. I’d gladly trade having to wear a uniform with being able to follow a lesson and learn peacefully. Also found the building quite claustrophobic and an architect’s nightmare!

dartmouthparker · 02/09/2023 09:23

I'd be interested to hear any more thoughts about AB and if families sometimes get a bit of a shock once their kids are at the school in terms of lesson disruption etc?

It does currently seem to be very fashionable for a lot of local families from a privileged demographic - ie those that can afford houses in the area, and might be able to send kids to private school - but have opted for AB for various reasons.

Having to make choices shortly, it concerns me a little that local families are in a bit of a bubble - ie all their friends' kids go to Burghley so everyone feels obliged to say it's really great...but is it?

Lndndad · 02/09/2023 14:09

Precisely my point!

NCforthi5 · 02/09/2023 17:45

If you don't mind me coming back to this thread, I'd like to say that I'd strongly encourage parents to also view the school 1) through a lens of how state education is increasingly worsening and 2) through the lens of "what else is available out there for my child"

  1. has been covered by people more eloquent than I, but as a parent of two secondary-aged kids I'm frankly very concerned by the fact that 40,000 teachers appear to have left the profession last year.

  2. is more of a local thing. AB is a co-ed secondary in an area that has a fairly large proportion of all-girls schools (Parli, LSU, CSG) so if you've a son, you're looking at Ellis (which also seems to have discipline issues according to the recently downgarded Ofsted), or co-eds like Haverstock (I don't know enough about this school to have an opinion), or if you're far enough north, Highgate Wood (mixed reports, but my personal opinion is I would run a mile before sending my bright SEN kid there), or AMSI (heard serious reports of bullying there), or one of the COLAs (my general impression is of drill-style discipline and pulling kids up to a certain baseline which IMO doesn't give much support to high-fliers). I'm definitely missing some schools on here that I've either forgotten or don't know much about but you can see how some people make the decision that AB suits their ethos/child in comparison.

I'm not sure I see the aforementioned "bubble" - yes there's a proportion of middle class students but one might also say that of HW and especially of places like Fortismere and APS. AB also has a relatively higher proportion of SEN students because they're the autism hub for the borough and take on a certain number of EHCP kids per year.

I honestly don't feel as if a "few bad eggs" have ruined it for all the other students. I have a friend who taught in a neighbouring borough and had one student stab another during class with a sharpened pencil. I've not heard of THAT level of disruption from AB. I went in expecting a certain amount of disruption and coached my son how to deal with that, and he's on track for very high grades across the board and the school offered him a place studying for an advanced extra GCSE in an after-school class. But here again is how my/our worldview colours things - my son is bright but also has SEN. I find AB caters very well for that particular combination, but once again, it's horses for courses so I am going to bow out now and wish all parents the best wherever they are in the school journey!

dartmouthparker · 03/09/2023 12:48

@NCforthi5 - thanks so much for your insight and great to hear AB suits your son so well. I'm really curious to hear why you think Highgate Wood wouldn't be right? I too have heard really mixed reports, quite similar to AB in that some think the teaching is great and the kids are well supported whatever their academic needs - but on the flipside I've heard some horror stories about very challenging kids disrupting lessons/bullying/violence.

Interestingly - AB, HW and Fortismere all seem highly marmite in this regard. Only local co-ed school I consistently hear good things about (apart from some parents thinking it's too strict and only really interested in the super academic kids) is APS...

Lndndad · 03/09/2023 18:38

I also only hear positive feedback from APS. I went to their open evening and looked around the school last year. Pupils were all well behaved, walls covered with awards and recognitions, school clean and tidy, the girl who showed us around was polite, well spoken, composed. Certainly the best school I visited so far. Could it be that it is precisely because it’s “strict” that its performance is superior to Fortismere, AB and HW? It certainly is not due to demographics, as it’s much more mixed than Fortismere for example. Never heard of any bullying/violence/issues at APS either; I'm pretty sure it’s no coincidence, and is down to the school’s superior management of unruly behaviour.

If I could choose, I’d definitely go for APS.

Verite1 · 04/09/2023 12:55

I just wanted to chip in and mention William Ellis (to Lndndad who is looking at options). I know it recently got downgraded by Ofsted, but our DS is there and we are very happy with it. The pastoral care is fantastic. My son recently had a few issues and the caring response from the school was just amazing (including detailed emails sent during the weekend with plans of action). I was so happy, i emailed the headteacher praising the teachers involved. However, William Ellis is still not what I would call a “strict” school in terms of behavior, although it has tightened up somewhat, so if you prefer somewhere like APS, then probably neither AB nor WE are for you. I’m also presuming you have a boy as otherwise you would be considering Parli or CSG, depending on where you live.

Seagullchippy · 04/09/2023 13:13

Ackland Burghley sounds horrific, but are any state schools in Camden ok? We're in south Camden so only in catchment for Regent's High. We don't get much choice. No child should have to suffer what you describe, OP. That sounds awful.

Verite1 · 04/09/2023 13:30

@Seagullchippy - that’s a bit of an odd comment. Camden schools generally do better than the national average. And some of the schools (for example Parliament Hill and Camden School for Girls) are surely objectively good schools, no matter what criteria you apply. I appreciate you may not be on catchment but they are nonetheless Camden schools. I don’t know much about regents high school, but presumably if you are in south Camden you can also look at Islington, Westminster and city of London schools as well?

Seagullchippy · 04/09/2023 15:04

Verite1 · 04/09/2023 13:30

@Seagullchippy - that’s a bit of an odd comment. Camden schools generally do better than the national average. And some of the schools (for example Parliament Hill and Camden School for Girls) are surely objectively good schools, no matter what criteria you apply. I appreciate you may not be on catchment but they are nonetheless Camden schools. I don’t know much about regents high school, but presumably if you are in south Camden you can also look at Islington, Westminster and city of London schools as well?

There seem to be ok schools for girls, but I haven't any girls and the violence in mixed and boys' schools worries me. None seem to have high results or top university entrance, either.

Yes we can apply to schools in other boroughs, but again, the places tend to go first to children who live nearer, then children in our area are sent to schools with places left over, so it's unlikely we'd get a place in a school in another borough.

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