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Gcse 2021 anyone appealing?

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Cleanmean · 12/08/2021 09:43

Dc has had a rubbish year, getting covid and being off school for ages (like many others). He's just got his results and is pleased but 2 of his grades are lower than his tracked grades and may mocks. He wants to appeal but I said it'll be impossible to appeal this year as teachers will have followed the protocols very carefully and there's less margins for error. Is anyone appealing this year and if so what do you think your chances are?

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WombatChocolate · 13/08/2021 19:34

Schools had to submit their process to the Boards.

The grounds for appeal are in the process was not followed correctly.

The fact a student got X,Y,Z grades on various pieces of work, cannot tell you exactly what they will get or should get. It really isn’t a case of just averaging, but as a PP said, holistic judgement s had to be made. Boards sent schools grade descriptors which had to be applied….so for example, consistency was important for higher grades….that means not just producing a couple of pieces for higher grades. Remember, that work from across the course will have been taken into account and schools were asked to take more notice of recent work, it that wasn’t the whole picture.

Remember too there were no grade boundaries this year. Therefore, when students look at their work or think in terms of grade boundaries for an individual piece of work, or grade boundaries as they were used for previous exam sittings, this wasn’t how it worked this year. However, getting your head round this as teacher or student is quite tricky.

It isn’t always easy to know as a parent exactly what was said by teachers to students. Teachers were told not to talk grades for individual pieces of work or overall…and most won’t have, but often students seem to think they have. Even if they have, that can’t be the basis of an appeal. You need to evidence the school not following the procedures properly. Work won’t be remarked (often earlier work from the course isn’t in the schools hands but was returned to the students and cannot be retrieved) but it will all be about the processes the school used.

And lastly, one thing to remember is that schools have been extremely generous this year. Grades are significantly above the historic pattern. Schools and teachers really don’t want to downgrade students, but often were extremely (questionably too generous) generous rather than mean. No teacher wants poor results and neither does any school. So the chances of being treated meanly are actually pretty low.

In all this, having a conversation with the school/college is really important. Launching an official appeal before doing this would be crazy and in fact, the appeals process tells people to speak to their educational setting first. Conversations can help throw light in the processes used and the evidence for a particular student (and often students remember their best pieces of work and forget some of their weaker ones) and also give a sense of the cohorts performance in relation to historic averages, to help get more of a sense that meanness is extremely unlikely. Those conversations can aid understanding and help acceptance of grades which are disappointing. That’s really important.

After these conversations, some families will choose to lodge a formal appeal, but most won’t. No doubt there are some cases where it is warranted and will result in an upgrade, but it will be low numbers….and that’s not because the system is denied to prevent it, but simply that settings were extremely careful with this process and where there was any doubt were generous.

And finally, remember, that every year, large numbers if students receive grades that disappoint them in exams….this is often by several grades as well. Students might be surprised, but teachers less so. It was inevitable that some would be disappointed this year too, even in a year of large grade inflation.

Have the chats. Approach it as a query and be positive rather than critical and aggressive. All schools should have someone who is available for these chats at the moment. Look at any documentation you have and the website too and make sure you are contacting the right person to have that chat with. If you’d ant find that info, email the Head of Year or Section and the Academic Deputy to ask for help and stress you’d like that conversation in the early part of next week.

It’s all very raw at the moment and will feel better in the next few days, but it’s important to get a sense of understanding why the grades were awarded if they were a shock….and it is possible to do this, as the grades came from the school.

WombatChocolate · 13/08/2021 19:39

It is possible to appeal on the basis of new evidence of special circumstances the school didn’t know about, so couldn’t take into account when adjusting grades. Covid cannot be the special circumstance.

In most cases, parents are very zealous in making schools aware if such cases and often report things which can’t be considered. However, some families will have things they didn’t tell the school about. It will have to be evidenced. Along with this, students will be asked if they have further work which should be considered that wasn’t part if the evidence bank. Of course, that needs to be at the higher grade level. Most students will struggle to evidence this, as schools generally used the very best examples of work….they were looking to justify the highest possible grades.

Squidlydoo · 13/08/2021 20:10

I totally agree with everything @WombatChocolate has very eloquently said.

Another thing to add is that an appeal has two stages - the first is checking there hasn’t been an administrative error (this will be relatively straightforward but as most schools will have spent time triple checking data the success of these appeals could be rare - and May also result in grade going up or down!), the second stage requires the student to provide a narrative with evidence explaining how the school has not followed correct procedures. The JCQ form details how this should look and the acceptable grounds for these appeals. It is not sufficient grounds to say a student is unhappy with the grade given. The emphasis is on the student to provide any evidence and rationale for malpractice rather than the school. This appeals form will be sent off to the exam board with w scanned copy of the student work.

It is also important to realise as the onus is on the student to lead this process and there is no requirement for schools to defend or justify their position or grade. The exam board has also made it clear they will not remark any student work so if the evidence submitted in the portfolio matches the requirements of the process as set out in the Centre Policy, the appeal will most likely be unsuccessful. For example, a portfolio showing. A series of exam papers or assessments.

It is also really important to know that if an appeal results in a lower mark - this is the grade that is given. There is no option to revert back to the higher grade!

Understandably emotions abd feelings are very heightened and raw when our own children are the ones affected and especially if there is a perception of something being unfair. Sadly every exam process - even in normal years - can be unfair and can lead to student disappointment. I have known of students who have had exam papers remarked and gone up two grades due to marker error.

To reassure you though, I am yet to hear of a teacher or a school who hasn’t taken this year’s process extremely seriously. The vast majority of schools have spent hundreds of hours on this incredibly complex task!

UncomfortableSilence · 13/08/2021 20:24

Wombat should all schools be open to having this informal chat first? DDs school don't seem open to answering questions and just send the link to the appeals form?

PlumpCushion · 13/08/2021 20:32

@AzPie my DD’s A levels were appealed last year (from ACD to ABC) as the college did not know that they had to apply Special Consideration themselves and factor it in to the CAG. Could it be that your DD has also be denied her special consideration? I would really research this carefully as the college didn’t even know they had to address this themselves until I told them! They then led the appeal themselves. Don’t assume the school have correctly followed procedure and taken your DDs circumstances into account.

PlumpCushion · 13/08/2021 20:38

@WombatChocolateyrs that happened in DD’s case . I contacted them at the time of the mocks and said dd was have a difficult time and would they like to see info from outside agencies they said no as they’d spoken to DD and had all they needed. I didn’t pursue it further as I assumed that the threshold for SC has been met. Turned out the additional information was really crucial to the appeal and college had been very remiss. Try to think if there is anything the school may have been fully unaware of.

Fridaydayday · 13/08/2021 20:39

@WombatChocolate our school used the grade boundaries for 2017-2019 and there are a lot of unexpectedly low grades. Students had to sit GCSE format exams no mini assessments. Seems so unfair compared with other schools but absolutely nothing can be done about the disparity. Feel powerless and annoyed.

Cleanmean · 13/08/2021 20:40

Wombat- my dc sent off some queries to his school today and they emailed back to confirm they'd accept his email as a formal appeal! He's not even sure he wants to appeal but had just asking for his grades for each assessment. I think it does complicate things that we are all in uncharted territories and no one really knows what the protocol is.

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AzPie · 14/08/2021 08:54

[quote PlumpCushion]@AzPie my DD’s A levels were appealed last year (from ACD to ABC) as the college did not know that they had to apply Special Consideration themselves and factor it in to the CAG. Could it be that your DD has also be denied her special consideration? I would really research this carefully as the college didn’t even know they had to address this themselves until I told them! They then led the appeal themselves. Don’t assume the school have correctly followed procedure and taken your DDs circumstances into account.[/quote]
I don't think the school care about any considerations at all. So far they have stated she wasn't entitled to any access arrangements when she definitely was(I checked with her keyworker), they didn't grant mitigating circumstances because apparently bereavement and being admitted to hospital due to MH don't count (and the head of year told me to apply as they counted). I had a look at the JCQ guidelines and there is mention time and time again of them only being assessed on what they have been taught and how some students may need alternative evidence. They clearly haven't taken into account the fact DD has only been taught approximately 50% of the entire curriculum due to not having correct support in place. I also don't get how she can be given a grade that is lower than any grade she's been given on work for the past 2 years, it even states in their own policy that they will start at the lowest grade for that student and work up, for DD that would be (in English) a 5/5.

TeenMinusTests · 14/08/2021 09:38

We've requested info on what was used for 1 subject, and may do for a second.
For subject 1, if the most recent assessments were a pass grade we will consider appealing based on procedure/access arrangements.
For subject 2, if the most recent assessments were a pass grade we will consider appealing based on not using previous alternate assessments in place of missing ones.

Hercisback · 14/08/2021 09:49

Special consideration in our school was documented and taken into account on a holistic level. Eg if a student was close to a grade boundary, the special consideration was used to put them up. It wasn't a set percentage because that would be impossible. There were also cases of missed work/assessments and we either substituted or gave a grade based on the evidence we had.

Remember in a normal year special consideration is very hard to get and doesn't give much of a percentage increase either.

Squidlydoo · 14/08/2021 09:54

In a Norma year specia consideration may only give 1-5% increase and is extremely hard to get. Even students with significant bereavement and significant mental health concerns get a marginal uplift. The hoops to get that are huge too.

Access arrangements - if your child has been awarded them should have either been used in the assessments or the grades adjusted to reflect.

TeenMinusTests · 14/08/2021 10:21

We are in an unusual situation in that our concern is that school chose not to provide an invigilator at home for DD, (despite us offering to pay), and she may have been marked down due to that, which would be upsetting as we kept really controlled conditions for her. We are awaiting info.

PlumpCushion · 14/08/2021 10:50

@AzPie I’m sorry to hear that. Don’t give up. I think that as PP day you need to somehow show there was additional information that occurred suddenly at the time of assessment. They tend not to take long term issues into account for SC, I believe. So it’s a case of couching any information you have to meet that requirement perhaps. But I’m not an expert by any means- except by experience of my DD/MH etc.

Also re access arrangements, only the school will be able to say if DD was entitled to extra time or a reader etc as that’s based on her normal way of working/ test scores. They have to meet a threshold for these.

The only thing I imagine the key worker may be referring to is things like rest breaks, a prompt to help her focus or a smaller exam room to reduce anxiety . These are not based on test scores and can be given more flexibly / freely if deemed appropriate. That’s my understanding anyway.

PlumpCushion · 14/08/2021 10:51
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Anyother · 14/08/2021 11:09

Sorry to hear about everyone's frustrations. I'm reading about appeals and have no idea if it's worth doing one. After all their is no precedent. My son's final grade was based on a test he took in the autumn (8) and two tests taken in the spring (close to full marks for one, and full marks for the other). He was very disappointed to then receive an 8. It doesn't make sense that he ended up with a mark that he was working at 6 months before the end of the course. Is this even something worth appealing about? He's just finished year 10 so it was this one grade. I realise that it's very first world problems but seems so unfair when reading about the 'inflated grades' when some students would have been better off doing 'real' tests...

BumbleMug · 14/08/2021 11:18

@Anyother

Sorry to hear about everyone's frustrations. I'm reading about appeals and have no idea if it's worth doing one. After all their is no precedent. My son's final grade was based on a test he took in the autumn (8) and two tests taken in the spring (close to full marks for one, and full marks for the other). He was very disappointed to then receive an 8. It doesn't make sense that he ended up with a mark that he was working at 6 months before the end of the course. Is this even something worth appealing about? He's just finished year 10 so it was this one grade. I realise that it's very first world problems but seems so unfair when reading about the 'inflated grades' when some students would have been better off doing 'real' tests...
His final grade was an 8 in a year 10 GCSE and you’re considering appealing?! Surely I’ve misunderstood that you want to appeal an A* equivalent?
TeenMinusTests · 14/08/2021 11:36

Bumble to be fair, Any did say it is a first world problem. I guess for a high achiever an 8->9 might feel as important as a 3->4 does for mine.

I'm just so upset for DD. So much effort over so many years and so many struggles to overcome in her life. And shot in the foot by pandemic / mental health.

BumbleMug · 14/08/2021 11:45

@TeenMinusTests

Bumble to be fair, Any did say it is a first world problem. I guess for a high achiever an 8->9 might feel as important as a 3->4 does for mine.

I'm just so upset for DD. So much effort over so many years and so many struggles to overcome in her life. And shot in the foot by pandemic / mental health.

It just makes me sad that people aren’t thrilled with 8’s. As if it belittles how hard they’ve worked to get an 8 which is quite an achievement. It’s messed up when only a 9 will do and if that message is passed on to the children then we are doing them a disservice. At the end of the day the only thing GCSE’s matter for is to get on to the next stage of what they want to do. If only a 9 will get you into that next stage then fair enough but that’s unlikely and an 8 is bloody amazing.
Anyother · 14/08/2021 12:10

I know, Bumblemug, I kind of deserve that. I just think unfair is unfair - whether it's 3-4 or 8-9. He's thinking of a degree that's competitive and looks at GCSEs and he's bright but not a genius so every grade counts. Sorry if it's distasteful to post when others have much bigger issues.

BumbleMug · 14/08/2021 12:25

@Anyother

I know, Bumblemug, I kind of deserve that. I just think unfair is unfair - whether it's 3-4 or 8-9. He's thinking of a degree that's competitive and looks at GCSEs and he's bright but not a genius so every grade counts. Sorry if it's distasteful to post when others have much bigger issues.
I understand what you’re saying and if he genuinely wants to try for a 9 then you need to ask to resit it in the autumn November series. Anyone who has been awarded a TAG in the summer 2021 series can resist the full exam in the autumn series at his existing centre. Not sure if you knew about that option so hope it helps.

I get what you say about fairness, but an 8 is still fantastic and if it’s year 10 is it not just an extra GCSE like Stats or Eng Lit that won’t matter as much. Either way I think he’s done brilliantly.

Cleanmean · 14/08/2021 19:04

Will the autumn resits be exams with reduced content? Papers prepared by exam boards? I can't seem to find any info online.

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Hercisback · 14/08/2021 19:11

@Cleanmean AFAIK they'll be the papers written for this summer.

MrsHamlet · 14/08/2021 20:44

@Cleanmean I think herc is correct that they'll be full papers

52andblue · 14/08/2021 20:58

I want my Ds to appeal his grades.
He was at a School graded Requires Improvement (for the last 5 yrs)
He had very poor tuition (there wasn't a physics teacher for 2 terms, taught by PE teacher, & physics syllabus wasn't finished by the end.
Similar for other subjects. They didn't take any Mock exams. NO predicted grades were given since 2019. No 'advice grades' at all.
He has Autism. He has Dyslexia. I was told by the DHT that 'no exam concessions would be made as no Exams are being taken, just tests'.
When I complained he advised me 'to be mindful that the SMT would be adjudicating final grades'.

During his GCSE's Ds had: a MH breakdown requiring hospitalisation
and was subject to a malicious SS investigation started by a pupil who had been allowed to bully him (by the School) for 2 years.
I submitted all info to School.
He was told by a TA that he should get grade 7 x grade 7's. but NO information was ever written down or sent home by school re work.
He got 1 x 7 1 x 6, 4 x 5 and a 4. He is gutted. He has started his new courses in Scotland and may have to pull out of them with grades now. Another lovely lass who worked really hard failed 3 of hers. She was in tears and set fire to her results paper outside school. I felt so sad for her.

How do I Appeal if School are not replying to emails / phone calls?
Do I go straight to the exam board? (AQA)