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Denied Education for wearing a face mask

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Sumh · 28/09/2020 09:37

I’m on the NHS extremely vulnerable shielding category. My 12 year old daughter is attending state secondary school. She is being denied to enter her classroom because she chooses to wear a plain cloth face mask. She has been left outside the class on her own with little provided worksheets to work on her own but no directed teaching.

The DfE ‘guidance’ on face coverings in education August 26 to schools highlights it’s just a ‘guidance’ and not mandatory, that it is not necessary/recommended/ to wear face mask because it may hinder communication by wearing face masks in education,

“ On the basis of current evidence, in light of the mitigating measures education settings are taking, and the negative impact on communication, face coverings will not generally be necessary in the classroom even where social distancing is not possible. There is greater use of the system of controls for minimising risk, including through keeping in small and consistent groups or bubbles, and greater scope for physical distancing by staff within classrooms. Face coverings can have a negative impact on learning and teaching and so their use in the classroom should be avoided.”

but then fines of not wearing face masks in other settings are doubling, retail business staff now have to wear face masks, a legislation is in place enforcing wearing of face mask above the age of 11 in certain settings and plus the booth were cabinet ministers stand and give press briefing has 3 pictures, one is a face mask. All of this is an implied message to the public of how important it is to wear a face mask.

With all this message including WHOs recommendation that all 12 years plus should wear face mask, is it right that a U.K. state school should be denying a child from her right to education on a not mandatory guidance for simply taking extra precaution?

Both myself and my daughter do not go out without wearing a face mask which we have been doing so since March 2020 and she herself strongly agrees to wear one in school at all times for my safety. Having spoken to the senior managers and informing them of my NHS letter of previously shielding the school are still refusing, replying to me “it could open a floodgate!” but are they not digging a hole for them by denying a child education!

This guidance states for example when if it is mandatory to wear a face mask in school like corridors and communal areas but a child refuses to wear a face mask, then no one should be excluded from education for not wearing a face mask.

My child wants to wear one for hers and my safety without affecting anyone else’s liberty and yet she is being excluded from education.

Your thoughts will be appreciated.

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NicholasTopliss · 28/09/2020 09:41

Face masks protect the other people in the group, not the wearer.
But I am sorry you have all this extra stress.
Your daughter would be better wearing a mask at all times in your presence. As well as frequent hand cleaning and distancing from you. Is that feasible?

NicholasTopliss · 28/09/2020 09:43

Is the school trying to protect her?

Lazypuppy · 28/09/2020 09:47

But the facemask doesn't protect her, it protects everyone else. To ptotect you she just needs to wear one around you.

Unfortunately, she needs to remove it to be able to go into lessons

Sumh · 28/09/2020 09:53

Hi, my whole family and relatives view is since it is effective at capturing and spreading from virus going out then it should work from going in.

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BreathlessCommotion · 28/09/2020 09:56

@Sumh

Hi, my whole family and relatives view is since it is effective at capturing and spreading from virus going out then it should work from going in.
That might be your view, but it isn't supported by science.
Lazypuppy · 28/09/2020 09:56

@Sumh thats fine for you to have that view, but doesn't mean everyone else has to.the school have their rules about facemasks (same as with anything else at school) and your daughter needs to follow them.

Lougle · 28/09/2020 09:57

Face masks don't protect the wearer. If she's wearing a mask and others aren't, then any virus they spread will be on the outside of her mask.

The school is allowed to make these decisions, and I think you should support your DD by reassuring her that she doesn't need the mask at school.

Sumh · 28/09/2020 09:58

sorry I never said anyone else should do so but we choose to wear one!

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Comefromaway · 28/09/2020 09:59

YANBU

My dd has also chosen to wear a face mask in college (except she isn't in college at the moment because they sent the entire college home due to a positive case and too much mixing.

I'd be looking for another school.,

BreathlessCommotion · 28/09/2020 10:00

@Sumh

sorry I never said anyone else should do so but we choose to wear one!
And that is your choice, but the school is allowed to make its own rules. If you don't like them then remove her from school and find somewhere else.
Itisbetter · 28/09/2020 10:00

Hi, my whole family and relatives view is since it is effective at capturing and spreading from virus going out then it should work from going in. but that’s not correct so while I think people should be kind to you because you are obviously misinformed I don’t think they should behave as though what you believe is fact.

BreathlessCommotion · 28/09/2020 10:01

My dad was on the vulnerable/shielding list and he works in a school. He is back at work, although not in direct contact with pupils. I think you are denying your child an educatipn, not the school.

Sumh · 28/09/2020 10:02

science or no science given many believe in its purpose, and so does classrooms in France, something that still allows you to talk and be heard, something that is cheap and temporary given the pandemic, should a school deny a child her education!

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Ohalrightthen · 28/09/2020 10:03

Two things...

A) your daughter wearing a mask in school does jack shit to protect you

B) if they let her wear a mask (especially because there's no science backing it up) they'd have to let all the other kids wear masks, which would make teaching and controlling a class practically impossible.

Mischance · 28/09/2020 10:05

I cannot understand why the school is making an issue of this and not simply respecting her choice. What does the school gain by taking this stand?

Comefromaway · 28/09/2020 10:05

@Ohalrightthen

Two things...

A) your daughter wearing a mask in school does jack shit to protect you

B) if they let her wear a mask (especially because there's no science backing it up) they'd have to let all the other kids wear masks, which would make teaching and controlling a class practically impossible.

That's rubbish. My husband is a teacher. he wears a mask and allows anyone who wants to wear a mask.

He has no problem controlling anyone.

BreathlessCommotion · 28/09/2020 10:05

@Sumh

science or no science given many believe in its purpose, and so does classrooms in France, something that still allows you to talk and be heard, something that is cheap and temporary given the pandemic, should a school deny a child her education!
Other people believing it doesn't make it work either. It is your decision and choice that is denying her.

Either follow the rules or find another school.

ChicCroissant · 28/09/2020 10:07

They are educating here, they are giving her the worksheets - might not be what you want, but they are doing something.

As PP have said, you've got the wrong idea about the way masks work. You don't sound as if you are going to change your mind so you'll have to agree to disagree with the school on this point. If she is sitting away from other students that will be more effective than wearing a mask, and that will indirectly help you.

It must be very stressful for you both at the moment Flowers

janetmendoza · 28/09/2020 10:07

Sorry this is ridiculous. How old is your daughter? If secondary age pretty sure face masks will be compulsory by half term. So she is ahead of the curve. Don't know what you can realistically do in the meantime though.

Sumh · 28/09/2020 10:08

I’m not a legal expert but is this any relevant?

Education Act 1996

“Pupils to be educated in accordance with parents’ wishes.

In exercising or performing all their respective powers and duties under the Education Acts, the Secretary of [F1State and [F2local authorities]] shall have regard to the general principle that pupils are to be educated in accordance with the wishes of their parents, so far as that is compatible with the provision of efficient instruction and training and the avoidance of unreasonable public expenditure.

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Ohalrightthen · 28/09/2020 10:10

@comefromaway that's interesting, so is mine, and they're only allowing children to wear masks in corridors as masks in classrooms makes it very hard to keep chatter down etc - it's a struggling school with poor behaviour across the board, so perhaps that's why.

RepeatSwan · 28/09/2020 10:11

Some research suggests it does provide limited protection to the wearer, it reduces viral load

In fact there was talk from the US that mask wearing may be more effective than a vaccine (unless the vaccine were very effective).

SamBee1 · 28/09/2020 10:15

Get her to wear a niqab into school. They'll struggle to keep out of classes then.

ChaChaCha2012 · 28/09/2020 10:15

No, the EdAct does not help you. Your child is interfering with the smooth running of the classroom.

Do you understand that your reasoning is not supported by science? Also, if this is about protecting you, your child would need to be wearing protective eyewear, do you want to take it that far?

Your options are to remove the mask, or to withdraw her from school and home educate.

Rustyspanners · 28/09/2020 10:16

A school local to me has made masks mandatory including in classrooms during lessons. So I don't see why they can't wear a mask in lessons if they choose to.

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