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GCSE Summer 2020 Thread 7 : Carry on Corona Cohort, Cruising or Crawling to The Final Countdown

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OrangeCinnamon1 · 11/08/2020 17:50

Welcome all to the 7th Thread for this year's GCSE cohort ...or the Corona Cohort as has been termed by @FoolsAssassin.

Some of us have been here since I started first thread back in 2010, some will be new. Everyone has been friendly and helpful in the past. It is hoped this will continue. Going forward we intend to stay in secondary so any new threads should have 'GCSE Summer 2020 Thread # : Carry on Corona Cohort' in title just to make it easier to find.

From now on our DS/DD may go down various paths so we decided not to be exclusionary and stay right here in Secondary Grin

Thread 1 The first GCSE yr 10

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stoneysongs · 15/08/2020 09:34

Sorry to hear that @Oblomov20
We have had many similar times but how annoying (maybe not surprising) that your DS's behaviour is coinciding with all this exam stress. Maybe he is actually furious with himself, wishing he had worked a bit harder..
I am a bit of a grudge holder by nature and have always found it hard to get over when the DC behave like arseholes towards me. Within minutes they are back to normal and all chirpy whereas I am 😡😫🥺 for ages and have to remove myself for a while.

KingscoteStaff · 15/08/2020 09:39

@Oblomov20 I think it’s the stress talking too. Are there 2 adults in the house? DH and I used to tag team DS at that age - as one of us became swivel-eyed with fury, the other one took over.

Janie74 · 15/08/2020 10:18

@Oblomov20 It does sound like stress talking - it’s hard when they take it out on you though. DD is alternately snappy or weepy and getting worse as the days tick by. I am stressing to her that there is nothing we can do at this stage and we will deal with whatever Thursday brings when it comes. If only I could practise what I preach...

And another thank you for @neutralintelligence for the very clear analysis.

Shimy · 15/08/2020 10:25

@heifer that was such a thoughtful thing for your school to do. Really impressed by that.

I can’t help feeling a lot of teachers must be feeling so deflated by now. All their hard work shoved to the side, whilst the proper brains decide the grades of students they’ve never met. The education sector was already suffering, this is going to make it a lot worse. I can imagine many young people have been turned off entering the profession. If I were a teacher I’d be feeling really humiliated by the way the profession has been treated and how the government has presented their work like unreliable documentation to be binned.

Oblomov20 · 15/08/2020 10:33

I've been linked to a petition. But the wording is so bad, I can't work out what they are suggesting as an alternative.

Isn't the CAG best?

GCSE Summer 2020 Thread 7 : Carry on Corona Cohort, Cruising or Crawling to The Final Countdown
BlueMarigold · 15/08/2020 10:37

Sorry if this is a silly question and already been asked. Are 2 million grades going to be downgraded by one grade or more than one grade? I have tried to read all the links etc but don’t understand it all

ealingwestmum · 15/08/2020 10:37

Flowers hang in there Oblomov. You (and we parents) are the safest place to act out and vent towards. Doesn’t make it right, we are also only human after all and have feelings. They just forget that bit.

Lovemusic33 · 15/08/2020 10:38

Not read everyone’s posts, have just joined the thread. Getting increasingly anxious about Thursday, probably more so than dd. I’m so worried she won’t get the grades she deserves although I know she will secure her A level place. Her predicted grades are 7’s, 8’s and 9’s her mock results were mainly level 8’s, she was struggling with science and German but guessing worst case scenario would be level 5/6 for these (I hope). Would love to say she’s worked really hard but she’s not really a hard worker, one of those that’s just naturally bright without really trying. I think I will be more disappointed than her if her grades are knocked down. He plans is to go to uni after A levels and I worry the top i is will look back at gcse resaults. I will be pleased when Thursday is over and I can stop stressing. I feel for those that might not get the grades they need to get into A level and those that may have to take resits.

desertcoffeeyoga · 15/08/2020 10:39

I can't understand how any of this exam omnishambles is not on Sky News top news online .. it's almost as if the government are drip feeding other news to get it off headlines .. oh imagine if these numbskulls thought we wouldn't notice how they shamelessly manipulate the news cycle whilst our anxious children wait to see what random number the machine spits out - I'm so angry - not even yoga can help me now

MrsHamlet · 15/08/2020 10:40

@Oblomov20 one of the issues with that petition is that the reference to the "exam board's decision" is inaccurate. The boards didn't invent the algorithm - OfQual did.

desertcoffeeyoga · 15/08/2020 10:43

@Oblomov20 yes that I is a bit confusing isn't it .. CAG is best .. my draft wouldn't be very polite at the moment .. something like " we urge the government to trust the teaching professionals to do their jobs and not some shady sharky minister who already got sacked once for lying " Sorry I'm letting the anger get the better of me - wish we could do more

Shimy · 15/08/2020 10:44

@Oblomov20 That petition reads like something that had been written back in March/April when it was first announced that grades will be calculated and someone has recently whipped it out of the drawer for signatures. It doesn’t really address what has or is happening right now I’m August. There are no facts mentioned in there to support the petition eg the hundreds of posts here detailing. the direct impact of the grading mechanism used. It needs to be re written.

Oblomov20 · 15/08/2020 10:52

I agree shimy. It looks like a March letter that's been whipped into a petition now, without adding in the recent events of the last week! Angry

Wheresthebeach · 15/08/2020 10:55

We know several kids who got their A levels downgraded a lot. I know it’s been explained before but I can’t find it so can someone please explain in language fit for a 5 year old how grades can go down by 2 grades? Am getting worried now although in the lucky position of DD staying were she is and the school automatically offers the girls sixth form place.

I hope this is the Tories equivalent of the Lib Dem’s tuition fees debacle...

RedskyAtnight · 15/08/2020 10:58

The change.org petition (which has been linked a couple of times in this thread) was clearer. It was also created by the 18 year old who is supported by Foxglove to take legal action (see www.theguardian.com/education/2020/aug/13/downgraded-a-level-students-urged-to-join-possible-legal-action )
... so I guess that feels a bit more "official".

neutralintelligence · 15/08/2020 11:04

Yes, the Curtis Parfitt-Ford petition might be best - one petition with large number would be more effective than several petitions with lower numbers.

RedskyAtnight · 15/08/2020 11:09

When I couldn't sleep last night (how many days is it until Thursday??) I realised that the major problem can basically be summed up as (apologies if everyone else is way ahead of me on this!)

If 1000 students sit exams, there might be 300 who are genuinely borderline between 2 grades so the exam could go either way. And there might be another 100 who have bad days and do slightly or significantly worse than expected.

Teachers don't know which of the 300 borderline students will go which way, so they've given them all the benefit of the doubt and put them up. The algorithm will allocate these 300 to "up" or "down" but actually it has no way of knowing either.

Teachers also don't know which 100 of their students will have a nightmare on the day, so they will give them all their "normal" predicted grade. The algorithm will pick 100 students and give them a grade that was different to what they were expecting, but actually it has no way of knowing that they would have had a bad day either.

It's one thing to be borderline and not do as well on an exam so that you get the lower grade.
It's one thing to have a bad day and get a worse grade than expected because you messed up.

But being told that you cannot sit an exam and that you'll get a worse grade than you should have done, because a machine has decreed thus, based on a whole bunch of things that are entirely out of your control, is not, and never could be fair.

Yes, there will be some (hopefully not many) maverick teachers who have way overpredicted.

But in general the above is why the grades this year are, and indeed should be, because teachers are not clairvoyant, higher than "normal" years.

OrangeCinnamon1 · 15/08/2020 11:12

@RedskyAtnight

The change.org petition (which has been linked a couple of times in this thread) was clearer. It was also created by the 18 year old who is supported by Foxglove to take legal action (see www.theguardian.com/education/2020/aug/13/downgraded-a-level-students-urged-to-join-possible-legal-action ) ... so I guess that feels a bit more "official".
The legal action is going ahead by all accounts and the letter is quite damning. Letter here
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Rhubardandcustard · 15/08/2020 11:12

dmac1988.wordpress.com/2020/08/14/a-level-results-2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Just read the above blog by a headteacher of a school in Somerset. In tears reading this especially about the bit about the girl who was hoping to go and study medicine.

I was trying to think there was some hope of a good outcome for gcse results next week but reading this makes it all more real and I need to prepare myself and dd and get ready with plans on how we can deal with the outcome.

I’ve written to local mp, Gavin and Boris & I’ve signed countless petitions. What else can we do now? I guess it’s just a case of waiting for next week and see. Up for heading to London to protest next weekend if necessary.

IHeartHarryStyles · 15/08/2020 11:13

I’m checking in, I was on an earlier thread with a different name. It is finally dawning on DD that her results could be catastrophically bad. Her mocks were dreadful and massive outliers to her performance usually (she only got 4 and above in 2 subjects. What have traditionally been her strongest subjects she got 2/3). She’s not a straight 8/9 student. She’s a 4/5/6. I think these students will be hit the hardest.

For those expecting super high marks the likelihood is even being downgraded they will still pass and be able to go onto A-Levels etc. I appreciate it is by no means acceptable they don’t get what they deserve but hopefully they will still be able to move on. Pupils like DD who should have been solid but not high passes could end up with no 4> passes.

IHeartHarryStyles · 15/08/2020 11:15

I’m not suggesting for one moment that those students who have worked hard and expected to get really high passes aren’t being disadvantaged by the way, or that isn’t as bad. It really is.

OrangeCinnamon1 · 15/08/2020 11:18

@redskyatnight I suspect if more weighting had been applied to Centre Assessed Grades rather than rigidly trying to make it fit some stupid bell curve from the previous year it would have been a better process all round.

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neutralintelligence · 15/08/2020 11:22

@RedskyAtnight - yes you have analysed it correctly.

The algorithm has no way of knowing which individual students would not have got their predicted grade in the exam. That is because no-one can know ever know that without an actual exam being sat. The algorithm (for which ofqual and the government are responsible for) has selected individual students or groups of students for downgrading from the CAG, without there being evidence that it would be those students.
So those downgraded individual students have been cheated and and treated unfairly.
The algorithm and method followed in general cannot be fair or accurate if it downgrades any individual student from a CAG without hard real-life evidence (e.g. exam) that they would not have achieved that mark.
So no tweaking of the algorithm can ever work.
The only solution is CAGs, and call this year 'unprecedented', which the government seems happy to use to cover any other anomaly that has arisen this very anomalous year.

neutralintelligence · 15/08/2020 11:24

@IHeartHarryStyles
Actually even one downgrade can prevent a student taking many A'levels and even getting into the sixth forms they have applied for.
Science A'level may need a grade 5 or 6 Maths, Humanities may need a grade 5 or 6 English.
Many good school sixth forms have minimum total points score and minimum Maths and English results. Individual subjects require a minimum GCSE score.

soccerbabe · 15/08/2020 11:26

Lovemusic33 - I'm not so worried about impact of GCSE results on uni admissions, as you can always apply after sixth from with A level results in hand.