What, if any, 'face to face support' will your school be offering for years 10 and 12?

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I have one child in year 10, one in year 12. Both schools have said they will offer them one day each, in total, before the summer.

Other local schools are talking about running full school days tues-fri.

Just interested in what everyone else is experiencing?

Our school is offering alternate weeks in social bubbles with subject teachers, just not necessarily their usual subject teacher.

It looks great. Shame my DD's MH is so shot to pieces she won't be in a position to access it.

Mine has said Y12s will get one hour per subject per week from June. They have also said they will be going in different days of the week and that some of this teaching will be online (so no changes to what we have, I guess, apart of the distant possibility to be at school for an hour some times)

Thanks Pegase have found that guidance now and read it - you're right, it just seems to have common sense suggestions to keep everyone safe but isn't anti at all.

Video teaching and online teaching are different things.

And that same report does mention that not all families will have access to technology and internet. It lists online teaching as one thing you may get from your school.

Lots of schools do things online ,not necessarily live. DHs private school does absolutely no faces on screen so I am fed up of this generalisation that all private schools aren't worrying about safeguarding/ using Zoom.

Yes of course - the 'video' is often screen sharing a PPT and speaking over it rather than all staring at each other!

As someone who set this up in a private school, it is about how you do it and the rules, checks and balances you put in place. Just like how you manage safeguarding in real life.

The private / state difference may affect access to tech, very much dependent on the school/area of course, but it makes no difference to the safeguarding principles.

My ds in year 10 will be allocated one day a week for going into school - they can’t change the day they are given. They’ve been trialling Microsoft teams lessons and will be upping that for more subjects. Face to face return will commence 8th June. 150 in the year group, so 30 kids + any key worker provision kids in on any one day.
More info to follow after half term. It’s not great, but it’s a start and hopefully they’ll be able to add to it as time goes on and the country continues to try and deal with the situation more effectively

Nothing here but as DD is at a college with young people traveling in on buses from a wide area I hope they can minimise the number of journeys needed.

oegase no one thinks screen sharing and talking over a ppt is safeguarding. You confused people with your statement there. Lots of state schools are doing narrated ppts and live lessons : they are not the sole domain of private schools. Your initial post made it sound like you were saying videoed lessons posed no safeguarding issues and I am sure the PP was asking about video conferencing.

What many(or some very vocal) parents on here, and elements of the press, and Andrew Adonis, have been calling for is full on Zoom type lessons 'so they can see their teachers' faces' : that's what is not at all recommended, and what a handful of private schools are doing.

Please don't encourage a superiority complex about fee paying school. The vast majority of all teachers , in all schools, are working harder than ever.

Anyway, I digress : the main concern of this thread is that no one - absolutely no one - knows what on earth the government even means by 'from June 1st begin to prepare for some face to face support for years 10 and 12 to supplement their online learning'.

That is literally all anyone knows. Primary school headteachers have had 41 different guidance documents to wade through : secondary heads none., other than these vague statements hidden away in general guidance.

@Piggywaspushed you seem to have some weird hang ups about independent schools. I never said what we were doing was superior or that we were working harder. Just shared what we were doing for OP and other parents who were interested and stated that there are no associated safeguarding issues. FWIW we do have the video camera on for some activities for some year groups e.g. form time.

No, you didn't . Lots of posters on MN have. I have no weird hang ups. DH is a private school teacher. His live lessons are no better than my carefully crafted resources which my students can look at, and do the work on, at any time. As an English teacher, I would rather students read things for themselves, at their own pace, than passively listened to my voice. it's the pedagogy that hasn't been interrogated. Students can also watch videos I post at any point which suits their familys resources.

My point is it's not really the point of this thread : I have no beef with people doing live lessons. I just don't think they are inherently better.

What is your school planning for face to face for years 10 and 12?

Very little at the moment unless guidance changes. UCAS support for Y12 and individual or small group feedback/academic review sessions for both year groups. Seems little point when remote learning in its various forms is working fine and a fair few children are feeling really anxious about the idea of coming into school at this point. Plus sorting out the insane Junior School logistics has to be the priority at the moment. Plus bubbles and option subjects as I'm sure you are aware isn't really a possibility!

Quite agree about the pedagogy also- leaving children enough time to get to grips with meaty independent tasks and maintaining pace have been our main concerns.

Yes, it's all so tricky : hence no guidance yet, I suspect!

Thanks for replying :)

What many(or some very vocal) parents on here, and elements of the press, and Andrew Adonis, have been calling for is full on Zoom type lessons 'so they can see their teachers' faces' : that's what is not at all recommended, and what a handful of private schools are doing.
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What is the safeguarding issue with the video conferencing type 'live' lessons, other than the report that the odd zoom call has been hacked into? Thanks, I'm really not trying to be negative just would really like to understand what the problem is.

In normal times any video conferencing between children and an adult would be a safeguarding no.

The faces on screen, the 'entry' into children's homes, what they are wearing , the invasion of teachers' private lives.

Most video conferencing is done with the camera off, even sometimes amongst adults (I need to do it in meeting to hide my eye rolling!)

Children have video captured and recorded lessons and altered teachers' appearances .and/or circulate them ,too.

Our LA safeguarding lead says video conferencing with faces on screen is an outright no, so we are following LA lead, not the union, not the DfE and not some misguided embarrassment story cooked up by some awful woman on Twitter last week.

DS3, Y12, aims to be starting back 8th June. Lengthy email from the school probably longer than the govt guidance about how it is intended to work. As DS3 at a joint sixth form, so multi sites albeit in very close proximity to each other, seems every pupil will be based for everything at their home school, more limited numbers, social distancing, etc, etc. Whilst not affecting us directly being in a rural area a good number of DCs come in on buses, so quite how that will work I'm not sure.

As many have suggested there's still lots of unknowns. School hopes to issue a timetable w/c 1st June, intimation so far that for the three subjects majority at most 3 days in each week, presumably with some sort of AM / PM mix.

My DP is a teacher; his school will be alternating weeks between Yr 10 and Yr 12 from next week.

Not now they won't!

Vulnerable children and those of key workers in one designated area, in full time.

Y10 split into 5 groups, each group in for one day a week. Each day they're split into two groups and taught in separate classrooms to enable social distancing. 1.5 hours each of maths, English and science.

Each classroom has an external door so they don't pass others coming in and out. One in/one out system for toilets.

The other four days they're doing home learning.

No detail yet. Yrs 10 and 12 will get 2 weeks each, so they won't have both years in together. They wont be full time for those 2 weeks.

We have been informed that my ds's form tutor will get in contact after half term by phone but they will not to see them before the 8th June.

The school is awaiting for guidelines which will be released on the 28th May.

He is in Year 10- and is currently learning through SMHW .

The faces on screen, the 'entry' into children's homes, what they are wearing , the invasion of teachers' private lives.

I am probably more relaxed than the next person about the GCHQ can read my emails kind of shock-horror (I'm always losing emails in 'conversations', so it's useful to know that there's someone I can call on to find them in an emergency). However, even I am uncomfortable with the possible issues around live visual contact from home to home. Currently, some Oxford students taking exams remotely and those taking STEP in the summer, have to submit to camera sweeps of the room they are in, but do / should the teachers delivering live, interactive lessons from their homes? Who else is in the room with them? One can understand people's concerns. Ditto the teachers' re their own privacy.

Back on track, DS2 is in year 12 and we have had nothing concrete yet about how face to face contact, if any this term, will be managed. Just to complicate the issue, we are waiting for medical advice as to whether he really should be going back at the moment anyway, but his appointment had been put back twice and now may not happen at all. The most recent letter from the hospital department was not at all clear as to what will happen for him specifically and after what date we should chase up whatever it may be...The school are happy that he should wait, even assuming that they do get something sorted before July.

I can't even begin to think how secondary schools are going to manage distancing - the kids move around and share desk and chairs - change classes several times a day - corridors are very narrow. I'm not worried about my dc's health I just don't understand how they can manage this in a Secondary setting.

The guidance came out yesterday and is very vague : but it does not suggest teaching is what is expected or required but also refers to 1/4 year groups, so it's (surprise!) confusing.

But certainly it is not meant to be whole year groups.

In my school 1/4 of a year groups is more than 100 year 10s mind, so hardly a handful of kids.