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Starting Yr11 Gcses 2020 Support Thread [Edited at OP's request]

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OrangeCinnamon · 30/06/2019 22:28

A continuation of a Year 10 support thread
previous thread

Last thread was great and supportive as some of us tried to navigate year 10 and some very helpful peeps steered us through.

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Piggywaspushed · 05/10/2019 07:08

Can I join? DS2 in year 11. He is a lot easier than DS1 was but year 11 is not going brilliantly because he has many new teachers, none of whom are as good or as inspiring to him as his year 10 ones. There has been terrible disruption in music (to the extent that I am going to insist he is pulled out if it looks like he is going to do badly) and he is liable to become stressed. An added stress is the threat (as we had with DS1) of the unavailability of Spanish A Level anywhere local.
It saddens me to hear of schools contacting parents to say DCs aren't going to revision sessions. They shouldn't be compulsory and schools should not transfer their panic on to students. I say this as a teacher...

My subject got the highest results in my school last year. Not one single revision session...

PostNotInHaste · 05/10/2019 07:43

Quair that’s really useful about the Maths, hadn’t thought the amount of time for FM will vary. That’s something we will ask at open days.

Welcome Piggywaspushed. Am in similar situation to you with second DC being easier than first. It’s bringing back some not great memories though.

DS and I discussed revision yesterday and are both currently on same page. Don’t want him doing any just yet as they are still finishing syllabus in most subjects. Mocks next month will need some as will second lot in March, then I want to see him working up to going hard at it from Easter. I know DS and he works best going hard at it for shorter periods and I want him in best condition possible for that so want him pacing himself for that.

We discussed how he does revision which is basically read through so have said I think it will be beneficial for if he does it more systematically ie. work from syllabus to make sure covered and look on past papers at questions on topics. Luckily if I make suggestions to him he isn’t prone to wanting to do the opposite as his sister is! She does thankfully recognise that now older.

ProggyMat · 05/10/2019 10:19

We've done one Sixth Form open event and have 4 more next week- that's if I haven't lost the will to live!
The first one has muddied the waters as DD is an all rounder and would need to decide whether she is in 'the science camp' or 'the humanities camp' before entrance exams in January.
If she stays at her current school she would have the luxury of keeping her options open until after GCSE results.
Whilst I want her to look at as many Sixth Form options as possible - dunno how many more 'I might swap x for y lets chat to that department' will be met with a smiley yes DD after a busy day at work
Gah- it's all rattling on now!

Silverhill · 05/10/2019 17:07

ProggyMat
Four open days in a week?!
I'm exhausted just imagining it.

ksb76 · 05/10/2019 17:22

I know we are all a little way off having to deal with the next next step - University rather than sixth form decisions, but Martin Lewis (moneysavingexpert) has just released a brilliant Youtube video filmed with a group of Year 12's discussing Student Finance. (Just search Martin Lewis student finance). Really helpful to begin to understand how it all works, what is expected of us as parents, etc. I certainly feel better prepared now, having watched it, and although it may be a way off, it will rear it's ugly head sooner than we think.

ProggyMat · 05/10/2019 22:22

Silverhill
Yup, each Sixth Form open event scheduled next week commences at 6pm.
I'm fortunate that I can use flexi time to leave early from work but that won't diminish my hefty commute-or indeed my work load given we are are in the most busy period of the year,

ksb76 · 07/10/2019 17:34

As a result of a quick search on GCSE revision material / course information for another thread I found that Toothill School, in Nottinghamshire has a brilliant school website, openly available for all to use, that lists lots of revision resources for a wide variety of GCSE subjects, if anyone is looking for additional resources to help their child.

www.toothillschool.co.uk/page.php?p=dept

Piggywaspushed · 08/10/2019 19:41

I am rapidly discovering that no local school will offer the (perfectly ordinary) combo of subjects DS wants. His own school is unlikely to offer Spanish. My school will probably (but not definitely) offer Spanish but don't do 'proper' business A Level. DH's school does both but is a private school and we can't afford ££££££££s.

There is a sixth form college in town of dubious quality but enormous arrogance but the travel there is complicated and again ££££s. Although his own school have started charging for travel, which is annoying, given that they made the choice to put their sixth form in another village from the main school (walking distance) 4 miles away.

I am not enjoying this.

Tumbleton · 08/10/2019 19:57

Piggywaspushed
That is frustrating. Is there anywhere that will offer 2 of his preferred subjects, if not 3?

DS would like to do Computer Science A-level, which isn't offered by many places. If he can't do it then at least it won't restrict his future options, as it's not a requirement for any higher education courses.

With less popular courses, there's sometimes no guarantee that it will run as they will have a minimum number in order for it to be feasible. I've read several threads on here where a young person has chosen a sixth form (turning down places at others) only to find out after the start of term that they can no longer study one (or even two) of their chosen subjects.

It has surprised me how variable the provision for post-16 education is between different areas, and I know we are lucky in our area to have options. There are some places where there are no sixth forms or colleges offering A-levels at all.

Piggywaspushed · 08/10/2019 21:42

The trouble is the one he most wants to do is the least likely to be available. Schools should care about MFL and its future. But they really don't.

It's a combo thing. They all do history, but the other two are dodgy. And they aren't weird subjects!

Spanish is what he wants to do at uni.

AndwhenyougetthereFoffsomemore · 08/10/2019 23:44

Tumbleton: That's a scary thought: I hadn't thought about courses 'disappearing' after being offered .... DS is a comp sci boy too, and we've struggled to find places that are doing it - or where they have a good track record certainly. DS currently wants to do comp sci at uni, and the A level actually doesn't seem to be much of a benefit for getting into courses, but he loves it so wants to do it anyway!

Piggywaspushed · 09/10/2019 06:55

It is definitely true that you don't need comp sci for uni but it is frustrating... the teachers aren't there, sadly...It being STEM,schools would offer it if they could.

My DS definitely needs an MFL A level , though. Annoyingly, he took music which has been no end of trouble , when he could have taken French and then that could be his MFL A Level language choice. Wish I could time travel !

PostNotInHaste · 09/10/2019 07:31

Another Comp Sci boy here too. He wasn’t able to do it for GCSE at the last minute and is still pretty sad about it. I have promised we will find somewhere that will do it for A level so have a few to look at. One of the Grammars say in prospectus they need the GCSE but because he is strong in maths and has done some coding they will take him.

He’s looking at it for a degree or Maths, think Maths current favourite but a fluid situation at this point in time. Really hard when they know what they want to do Piggy but it’s hard to find Flowers

Piggywaspushed · 09/10/2019 08:07

It is isn't it? And it is frustrating that those in more urban areas have more choice, therefore are at an advantage in so many ways. My area has upper schools: this means vast schools (2000 is the norm) with sometimes very large sixth forms (sometimes 500) but usually only one school in anything like easy travelling distance. There is a town nearby but the schools aren't on bus routes and are rubbish/don't offer Spanish. Twas ever thus in the sticks!

My school does, however offer Comp Sci! Be careful what you wish for though, people, Comp Sci teachers are frequently not specialists and often aren't very good teachers (sorry!)

PostNotInHaste · 09/10/2019 08:19

We have Upper schools too though I think DS’s has about 1450 at the moment. We are lucky though in that there are quite a few 6th forms around though but transport will be an issue for some and we are planning to get DS driving as soon as possible.

That is a good point about the teachers and actually a point in favour for the one place we have seen as the teachers have both worked in industry pre teaching and did seem to know what they are doing. The one at DS’s current school sounds not great, not that DS got a chance to find out. It’s back on this year so DS’s year was the only one who couldn’t do it.

By the time he got there German had been scrapped so that was 2 of his options gone. Which is why I am determined he will go somewhere decent for 6th form, whatever it takes.

Piggywaspushed · 09/10/2019 16:14

More MFL scrappage! Sad

I got a nice and very supportive email from the head of MFL at DS's school but it didn't promise anything. She has forwarded my email on to the head of sixth form who is a geography teacher but , having dealt with him previously , I do not expect him to care.

Last time round Spanish eventually did run but the teaching wasn't great so it's all a bit of a double edged sword!

ProggyMat · 09/10/2019 20:51

Piggywaspushed fingers crossed for your DS Flowers
I too am worried about the future of MFLs in schools, let alone 'dead languages'.
The current reforms, you only need 8 GCSEs- with options often to be decided in Yr8 via narrow timetabled blocks- the emphasis in STEM !

Takeitonthechin · 09/10/2019 21:33

Hi my DS is Yr 11, he had his first set of Mocks at the end of June last yr, he has more mocks next month. His subjects are Triple Science, Computer Science, DT, no MFL as he needed extra English. He needs 6s in Maths, Biology & Chemistry & English for college.

AndwhenyougetthereFoffsomemore · 09/10/2019 21:41

DS is super lucky and their comp sci dept has two teachers - one is a bit duff but the other is a young bloke who is very inspirational, very hands on (runs the coding club; forever providing ds with post-its on this, that and the other) and rather cool (very sharp suited!) : goodness knows why he isn't off doing something MUCH better paid....

GOod luck with the language scrappage, piggy. Another area where excellent teachers are in scant supply ime...

Quair · 12/10/2019 05:35

MFL teachers are hard to find? That surprises me. I can see why maths and science teachers could easily do something better paid and less stressful but what do MFL teachers use their languages for, if not teaching? The days of needing lots of translators are over.

Piggywaspushed · 12/10/2019 07:53

Ummm....I am a teacher and teach because I want to!!

That aside, the MFL teachers aren't there, because a) there are fewer languages graduates in the first place and b) a degree in languages still opens lots of doors, not necessarily directly using the languages.

Piggywaspushed · 12/10/2019 07:57

Translators are still needed by the way. Why do you think they aren't? Publishing, the civil service, the criminal justice service, the film industry all recruit translators. Especially if you have combined a European language with a more niche language . Many business still profit if they have speakers of international languages , especially mandarin, Japanese and German. Several unis now offer Arabic, too.

ealingwestmum · 12/10/2019 11:16

but what do MFL teachers use their languages for, if not teaching?

It's an interesting view point. One, I think many do hold (though I'm assuming Quair what you meant was what do MFL experts do with their skills other than teach?)

DD is doing 3 MFLs, hoping to take 2 and English as her other possible subject choices higher up. She says she keeps purposely vague now when asked by parents of her friends because they naturally default to asking if she wants to become a teacher. And treat STEM subjects more seriously. DD holds teaching in the highest regard, because of the wider challenges of the role beyond just subject matter, and doesn't think she'd have the skills (yet). Her aspirations are also not with pure linguistics either, but using MFL and English as alternative routes into business/IR/political science type roles vs the traditional pure economics or business related degrees. So the undergraduate courses that include history, culture of the country/regions are of interest, as well as developing her fluency.

There are also the concerns that native speakers are at better advantage on courses, contributing to the decline in take up in non native students. Again, this may be true, but she schools with many students who you'd never know immediately what their parentage is. And whilst their spoken word may be fluent, with obvious benefits of more enriched vocab, their structural/grammatical knowledge is often no better than non native. It's another non issue for them, more so for parents looking for the disadvantages their non-native kids have and what needs to change to level things out at HE level, like declaration of backgrounds etc. Over-thinking it is her view, especially in a world that gets more diverse!

Quair · 12/10/2019 12:19

The arabs have a saying that goes something along the lines: "if you don't have English, then you aren't a businessman".

I carefully didn't say that there is no need for translators, I said there is reduced need for translators (because we have machine translators now which do a lot of the informal stuff). You still need translators for more formal environments or for translating legal documents but not to understand what the email from your colleague in Europe just wrote.

Also, i can't recall if I made this point or not, so apologies if i am repeating myself, but most schools teach French which isn't all that useful. I get it that its because they learned French at school themselves and that's why they took it further at uni, but its far from the most useful business language to speak if you are going to learn an additional language. Holidays in France aside, of course.

Then there is the question of what's the point in learning a language unless you are going to do it well enough to have a conversation with someone in that language?

Saying all this, I did French up to age 16, so did DH, so did DS1 and DS2 will do his GCSE next year. So it perpetuates.

Quair · 12/10/2019 12:22

ealingwestmum I put my last post up before I read yours.