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Secondary offers day is almost upon us!

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PhilomenaButterfly · 17/02/2019 11:30

Who else is excited?

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Ariana30 · 21/02/2019 02:40

Thank you so much for that information @Zinnia it honestly helps to clarify it all!! Mumsnet really is such a great information tool!! I'll definitely accept and email them as you suggested!! Good luck to us all, it feels like this week is going to be such a long one!!

paxillin · 21/02/2019 11:42

I understand "accept the school offered". What happens with new academies just opening? Where we are, we have six choices. There is a new school opening, applications were off-list, they weren't in the Pan-London list on time. If given, say 6th choice and the new school, can we accept the new school as backup and still stay on the waiting lists for the other school choices? Or would we have to accept 6th choice (not wanted) and the new school to stay on the list and keep the new school as actual insurance?

twilightcafe · 21/02/2019 11:47

I wish I could go to sleep and wake up on 1 March!

prh47bridge · 21/02/2019 12:03

paxillin - If you receive an offer from the new school as well as an offer from the LA you can accept whichever of the two you prefer and still stay on the waiting lists for your other school choices. Whichever offer you accept, you should check with the LA to make sure you are on the waiting list for your preferred schools. It should be automatic but it is best to check.

paxillin · 21/02/2019 12:20

Thank you, @prh47bridge. That makes things easier. New school would have been second choice if it had been on the list, so new school plus other, less wanted, will be a likely outcome.

blibblibs · 21/02/2019 12:37

I so thought it was the end of march results came out. I kind of wish I still had that ignorance until next Friday!
I'm hoping, obviously for 1st choice. Last year's furthest away child was 6.5 miles away and we're only 2 miles away so I'm hopeful but it being a bulge year and all the extra houses that have been built are a worry.

Danglingmod · 21/02/2019 13:43

Heads of secondary schools will know how many first choice and second choice applicants they have already, just not who they are.

ElenadeClermont · 21/02/2019 17:00

I am a bag of nerves, too.

Zinnia · 21/02/2019 17:13

That's interesting @Danglingmod, so they're given those statistics by the admissions authority? ie as a PP said, to give the headteacher an idea of how popular a school is? I did not know that!

Danglingmod · 21/02/2019 18:05

Yes!

Pandasarecute · 21/02/2019 18:12

I’ll join too! I’m very nervous. We have applied for an out of catchment school, but as church goers have priority so hoping that means we get in! I’m not sure when we find out. I know it’s an email during working hours but last year some people were able to log on and find out during the night. As I doubt I’ll sleep this is what I’ll be trying!! Now need to check my log in details ...

FrangipaniBlue · 21/02/2019 18:53

I'm dreading it....

DS has his heart set on an outstanding, out of catchment, over subscribed every year school - which also happens to be the school I went to so I've had my heart set on him going there since I found out I was pregnant!

He keeps saying "when I'm at X school" and I keep having to reign him in and remind him that's it's a great big IF he is at X school!

Our 2nd choice is also an outstanding, oversubscribed, out of catchment school and 3rd choice while it is strictly the feeder school from his primary it's still out of catchment and catholic, he's not baptised catholic Confused

We didn't put the catchment school half a mile from our house as an option.

Reading it out loud like that we've taken a pretty big risk Shock

Waspnest · 21/02/2019 19:04

Good luck everyone, I can't believe it's nearly a year since we went through this nightmare!

Gizlotsmum · 21/02/2019 20:06

Odd question. I have a feeling my daughter is second guessing our first choice. If we get it can we go on the waiting list for our second choice?

PhilomenaButterfly · 21/02/2019 20:15

DD's very lucky, her class is smaller than average, but that may just be at her school. She should get her first choice, we're right in the middle of catchment, it's an 8 minute walk.

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PhilomenaButterfly · 21/02/2019 20:25

DD did that, Gizlotsmum, luckily in time for me to swap the order around! I think you can, but other people here are more knowledgeable. I started this thread out of excitement, not knowledge! 😂

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PhilomenaButterfly · 21/02/2019 20:26

Thanks for the good wishes from pps who've been through it!

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lanternlady · 21/02/2019 20:44

I'm an absolute bag of nerves , don't know how I'm gonna make it through the next week Confused
First time going through this and just hope my one gets their first choice . The faith primary school is apparently the main feeder school into the faith secondary . But that's still not making me feel any better . It's such a long time to wait and I've been fine till yesterday.
As they are an only child I would just love them to go through to the secondary with all their friends.
The thought of having to go through any type of appeal process just scares the living crap out of me Confused
It's gonna be a lonnng week

ShaggyRug · 21/02/2019 20:55

As far as I’m aware @Gizlotsmum, you are only automatically placed on waitlists of those choices higher than the one you were awarded. So getting 1st choice would mean no waitlist needed.

However you can contact the LA and ask to be put on the waitlist of the other schools if you get 1st choice but have changed your mind. It’s just not automatic.

Gizlotsmum · 21/02/2019 21:23

Thank you. I'm hoping it's just nerves

TidaQuel · 21/02/2019 22:47

I was hoping this year would be a low birth year. Presumably if you don’t get any of your 3 choices you just get your nearest, undersubscribed school?

We are 600 and 700 metres outside of our 1st and 2nd choices, based on last years furthest admittance.

Dothehappydance · 21/02/2019 23:03

tida Yes if you don't get any of your choices you will be placed at the nearest school that has a place once all the other places have been offered. It's why the general advice is to always put a 'banker' down even if you don't want it. It is better to be in a school nearby that you don't like, then in a school miles and miles away that you don't like.

Before we moved, I didn't like our catchment school and had no intention of sending dd there, but I still put it down as my 3rd choice, because I'd rather a good school I didn't like that she could easily get to, then a rubbish (and they really are) school the other side of town.

TidaQuel · 22/02/2019 08:02

Thanks happydance. I didn’t put the catchment down as a choice but there’s no chance of not getting a place there as it’s been undersubscribed for years and no one wants it! I would be happier with any other school in town or outside but pretty certain we’ll default to this one.

Minglemangle · 22/02/2019 13:24

www.statista.com/statistics/281416/birth-rate-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/

Chart showing 07/08 did have a high birth rate but the next couple of years is even higher.

Zinnia · 22/02/2019 15:10

Thanks for digging that link out Minglemangle, truly eye-opening stats! The regional variation must be significant as in my locale (N London) the pupil population does not map against the same trajectory.

For instance, the 2007-08 rate is broadly similar to, or slightly lower than, 2011-12, yet when the 2007-08 lot (ie current Y6) were in Reception, our LA had to open a bulge class to accommodate them all, and in fact by the time the now Y2s had reached that stage another local primary had fully expanded to accommodate them... and then had to reduce its PAN in the second year of expansion as the places were unfilled. And the post-Brexit (presumably) fall in the rate has truly terrifying implications for school finances in the next few years. "Sought-after" schools will still be full, but the rest wil see their rolls drop and drop.

And of course it's extremely difficult for LAs to plan for these spikes and falls as although obviously they have the birth rate stats, they only find out 4 years later exactly how many of those children are still living in the area when they need a school place...

Which makes me wonder, given my DD's Y6 year is not full (though it was in Reception) - and I know her school is far from unique in this regard - how much impact will the famous "high birth year" we all remember from primary applications actually have on this year's round of secondary ones. Are all your DCs' Y6 classes full?

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