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Managed move

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He1pme · 05/10/2018 18:58

Hi is anyone in the world of managed moves, I have a child whom I removed from his school due to issues fine school excepted my request to off role him. I then applied for a new school went on waiting list to be given a place under in year admissions to a school I wanted. A month after offer they now want to do a managed move and have gone ahead without my consent to do this... I'm very confused as he was not on role at old school I have email to prove this but now a managed move is being forced... any help welcome.

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peppaminttea · 05/10/2018 19:12

Sorry I'm not an expert but didn't want to leave your post unanswered. It's my understanding that a managed move is voluntary. There is a lot of information on the child law advice website (Google child law advice managed moves). Does your child have SEN? If so, get some advice from IPSEA or SOSSEN.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 05/10/2018 19:20

You are better off posting this in the secondary or primary education sections as their are lots of experts there that will help.

sd249 · 05/10/2018 19:44

I am very confused.
Has your son been attending the new school and it is the new school who wants to do a managed move?

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He1pme · 05/10/2018 20:07

Hi no my son has been on home ED. I removed him from a school, they off rolled him to allow me to home ED until I could find new school. Got new school offer but can't start as old school put him back on role, and wants to control the move to new school. It's very confusing

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SBDB · 05/10/2018 20:17

Hi
I was involved in these frequently. A managed move is a way for a secondary to take someone on a temporary basis/with conditions. This means if the young person doesn’t settle and things go wrong they can basically send him back and it prevents either school having an exclusion on their books.
The new school can’t do a managed move if the child is off role at the previous school. If off role and the school is not full then they have to accept new applications regardless of what they may have heard about the student elsewhere. If you have given notice to the previous school to take them off role then inform the new school that a managed move is not acceptable.
Your school area will have an admission office who you can call for information. I hope the above helps

friendlyflicka · 05/10/2018 20:28

I have been through this with a daughter out of school because of anxiety disorder. I was trying to find her a new place and it was so difficult because of her attendance figures. A managed move takes all communication away from you and goes through the 2 schools. And if you are not with a school they can't do that.

If they have a place, as far as I understand, they have to give it to you. If you know they have a place then persist.

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He1pme · 05/10/2018 20:53

Hi thanks, well the story is so bad, because the admissions are overiding the evidence I have and said they except he is still on role. Even tho I have email to prove that's not true and letter from LA stating I'm doing home school. So they are forcing a managed move without my consent. I'm not doing it the old school is getting away with being dishonest.

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friendlyflicka · 05/10/2018 21:03

I expect both schools are academies, but could you speak to your education department at LEA? Or, probably better, send copies of your proof he is off role, to the governors at new school, with a copy to LEA.

I think you should get this moved to secondary ed board because there are some very knowledgeable people who have helped me immensely.

SBDB · 05/10/2018 21:04

That is not legal at all. You can speak to ofsted for advice. If your child was at risk of exclusion from the first school then you could speak to the inclusion team in your local authority. Even if the school is an academy they have to inform the inclusion team if a child is excluded whether for a short time or permanently.

Smurfy23 · 05/10/2018 21:04

If you home school a child and then want them to return to mainstream education they have to go back to the school you withdrew them from. You cant just apply for a new place. The only way you could get into the school you want to is by a managed move. At least thats how it works in my LA.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 05/10/2018 21:21

You haven't say why you are against a managed move. Don't you want to move to the new school?

friendlyflicka · 05/10/2018 21:33

Maybe because it is not an accurate representation of what went on. Perhaps because the old school, which she clearly had problems with, would have all the control. I think, under the admissions code, if there is a place available at the new school, unless there are some specific behavioural issue, they have to give it to you.

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He1pme · 05/10/2018 22:00

I only home ED while waiting for a school as this was advised it's only been a month, I'm not happy with managed move as we had issues with old school not being honest. I would be happy if it was on truthful terms but old head is very difficult, more to the point I asked for a manged move in july he denied and off rolled my child so he could not return to school in september so reason is unclear to why now. After we were offered a school.

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He1pme · 05/10/2018 22:01

Oh and there is no issues just not happy

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He1pme · 05/10/2018 22:16

Hi friendlyflicka,
One is an Academy I don't have a real issue with a managed move its just I was offered place as in year admission to a month down the road no warning but changed to managed move without my involvement and no reason given... if I was consulted may feel differently about it. I don't know how to move post, first time I've aired my issues. But it's like I say I don't think managed moves are bad it's just I tried this route with school they denied which stopped my son moving, they off role him then put him back on when a school offer was made its just confused me. I have no u understanding to why.

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MrsTWH · 05/10/2018 23:17

This is not legal. Do you have proof in writing of you informing old school to remove your child from roll because you are home educating? If so, old school legally have to remove your child from roll. They cannot re-add at their will!

And if you are in England, if you are currently home educating and want to return to school you can submit an in-year application to school admissions. If new School have a space they cannot refuse to admit. It does NOT have to be a return to old school.

If you have any written evidence of you informing the school to remove your child from roll, forward it to the Head again and copy in your local Education welfare department and state that legally they must remove your child from roll as per your instructions as you are home educating or you will inform Ofsted.

MrsTWH · 05/10/2018 23:19

Or if you are in contact with your Home Education Officer, they should be able to help you in this instance. Please get in touch with them!

iggleypiggly · 05/10/2018 23:26

Was there an attendance or behaviour issue at previous school?

admission · 06/10/2018 21:38

Sorry you need to go back to basics here. You as parent told the school that you were going to home educate and the school and LA accepted this, which you have written proof of. Is that correct?
If so you then subsequent to starting to home educating him decided to apply for a place at another school. What I am not sure from your post is whether the school was full or not in the year group that you want. If the answer to that is that it is not full, then the school /LA cannot refuse you entry.You have a place in the school.
If however the school was full, then you should have been told that there were no places and that you have the legal right to appeal the decision.
I gather from what you have said that this did not happen that in fact you were offered a place. If that offer is in writing than there is nothing more to do, you should just be sending child to school. I would just email the school and say that as you have an offer of a place, you are taking this up and son starts on Wednesday morning. What are the arrangements for him starting.
What I suspect is happening is that the new school wants their cake and also to eat it. They want to admit your son but also want a backstop if there are issues. By saying it is a managed move they can put down some criteria which your son has to abide by.For instance poor behaviour not tolerated etc. If that happened they want to off-role your son back to the previous school.
That must not be allowed to happen. A managed move is only acceptable if it is something that is acceptable to you are parent, your son and the two schools. This is one of the schools trying to bend the rules and you need to say that you are not accepting a managed move, it is simply an in-year admission which they have accepted.

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He1pme · 06/10/2018 23:16

Hi thanks for comment, yes we had a place offer from new school there was a space I was told they needed info from old school. I was told four days, then the old school put my son back on role so they could do a managed move. My son had not been at school since end of July. I have tried to say this was excepted as in year but because my son is back on role they now can't do this...it's strange as if my son was on role, he has been out of school without consent for just over a month why did I not get asked why my son was not at school. Nor a visit from truancy there is rule bending going on as the academy did not follow the correct procedure for off rolling my child, so to keep their nose clean they just added him back. Education don't seem to have any power's when it comes to an Acadamey they have there own rules legal or not. You don't get told this when they place your child there... it's a confusing mess.

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ASauvignonADay · 07/10/2018 07:52

This is confusing - I don't understand why the old school would want him back on their roll? They have more to lose (if there were issues, why would they want him back essentially - it is risky).

The only 'person' who gains from a managed move is the new school, because if it doesn't work out essentially they can say sorry, he has to go back.

What have the old school said about it?

prh47bridge · 07/10/2018 08:21

The old school was completely wrong to put your son back on the roll. Your son was correctly removed from the register under the Education (Pupil Registration) (England) Regulations 2006 regulation 8(1)(d). Once he was removed, they can only put him back on the roll if you apply for a place at that school. You have not done so.

Even if they do add him onto the roll, the new school has a vacancy. They are required by law to offer it to your son. They cannot turn this into a managed move just because it suits them.

I agree with Admission. Go back to the academy and tell them you are not accepting a managed move. You are accepting the place they have offered and your son will start on Wednesday. If they try to say no tell them that you will refer the matter to the ESFA as they are required to conform to the Admissions Code by their funding agreement and they are acting in breach of the Code.

prh47bridge · 07/10/2018 08:24

I don't understand why the old school would want him back on their roll

I don't think they do. They are co-operating with the academy in trying to turn this into a managed move. They should not be doing so. This is a straightforward in-year admission. The academy has a place available so the OP's son must be offered the place. The schools cannot turn this into a managed move just because it suits them.

ASauvignonADay · 07/10/2018 09:29

They are co-operating with the academy in trying to turn this into a managed move.
To what gain though? We would just say no.

I did see a case recently that went to FAP and the decision was for the child to go back on roll at the school they de-registered from and then onto a managed move, but this decision was made by the LA inclusion team.

prh47bridge · 07/10/2018 09:31

We would just say no

Quite right to. That is what the school in this case should have done.

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